Venison initiative in Scotland


this sounds great but how is it funded
And what does the stalker get out of it?
I read of a similar initiative (maybe the same) where stalkers donated carcasses, the participating AGHE/butcher kept all the prime cuts (loin and haunch), and the shoulders went to the food bank. Bearing in mind that a fair proportion of those shoulders would have gone in the bin, I think the AGHEs were doing very nicely out of it, and the stalkers were being shafted.
I'm all for donating carcasses to food banks, but there needs to be generosity at all stages of the process I think.
 
Sounds similar to the GWCT thing taking gamebirds and turning them into ready meals to be distributed free
 
I will give to charity but i will not give the prime cuts for free to a dealer who then uses the crap to make a few burgers then tells the world hes doing good. The quicker we get rid of the venison dealers licence the better.
The Venison Dealers Licence is recommended to be scrapped in the Natural Environment Scotland Bill;


It will help, but more needs to be done and 50% equipment grants do not go far enough and still require significant capital investment from stakeholders.

I would have preferred to see a grant system which provided a greater degree of financial support with a mechanism for it to be increased to 100% after a period of time where the stakeholder could demonstrate they had put an agreed cull target of deer through it.

When you consider additional costs such as equipment, ammunition, vehicle costs etc. the recreational stalker is already providing a significant degree of investment.

That said, the current initiative is a very positive step and hopefully it gains momentum and increased support.
 
The Venison Dealers Licence is recommended to be scrapped in the Natural Environment Scotland Bill;


It will help, but more needs to be done and 50% equipment grants do not go far enough and still require significant capital investment from stakeholders.

I would have preferred to see a grant system which provided a greater degree of financial support with a mechanism for it to be increased to 100% after a period of time where the stakeholder could demonstrate they had put an agreed cull target of deer through it.

When you consider additional costs such as equipment, ammunition, vehicle costs etc. the recreational stalker is already providing a significant degree of investment.

That said, the current initiative is a very positive step and hopefully it gains momentum and increased support.
They have tried to give deer managers from Stirling area to north Glasgow £70 the take up was extremely pour . They then offer the remaining moneys from the two schemes to a fridge deal were the take up is not that great and there is no way of proving there will be any increase in through put. Now the LDNS had over 125 put there names down on a study saying they needed a fridge or a chiller. Yet when it hit the head lines they all but a few disappeared. So there seems to be a real problem with the thinking of NatureScot. Are they really in touch with the central belt. They need to realise that one size does not fit all.
 
I've offered venison to our local foodbank but they are not interested in interested fresh or frozen meat.
Tins, dry products and ready meals are all they can handle.
Mrs TD mange’s a small local Foodbank, unfortunately they have limited means and can only accept the aforementioned tinned/ready/dried foodstuffs.
I have offered free venison to three local community kitchens but none of them have even had the courtesy to acknowledge yet alone respond to my generous offer. You can only but try to help.
 
They have tried to give deer managers from Stirling area to north Glasgow £70 the take up was extremely pour . They then offer the remaining moneys from the two schemes to a fridge deal were the take up is not that great and there is no way of proving there will be any increase in through put. Now the LDNS had over 125 put there names down on a study saying they needed a fridge or a chiller. Yet when it hit the head lines they all but a few disappeared. So there seems to be a real problem with the thinking of NatureScot. Are they really in touch with the central belt. They need to realise that one size does not fit all.
I was in for the chiller scheme.
Unfortunately you had to put the whole value in yourself first and get 'upto' 50% back (that discretion was up to others to decide).

I couldnt see how, or where I would be able to recoup those expenses even if I possibly did get a refund up to 50% of my outlay.

I would have loved 1 of the chiller/prep standalone units, but at £20k upfront and with only an estimated 50% back I couldnt make it work.

That and the unfortunate struggle to manage a full time job, plus dealing with an amount of carcasses needed to have it make any sense was not feasible.
 
DEFRA, natural England, nature Scot( Scotland so out of kiers range?) hopefully all to join NHS England on the scrapheap of history??
 
Mrs TD mange’s a small local Foodbank, unfortunately they have limited means and can only accept the aforementioned tinned/ready/dried foodstuffs.
I have offered free venison to three local community kitchens but none of them have even had the courtesy to acknowledge yet alone respond to my generous offer. You can only but try to help.
That pi55es me off!!! You bl00dy try to help or offer time & product ....OK if its a no fine ...bit when the folks don't even acknowledge your help ! 😡... mannersrs cost nothing
 
I was in for the chiller scheme.
Unfortunately you had to put the whole value in yourself first and get 'upto' 50% back (that discretion was up to others to decide).

I couldnt see how, or where I would be able to recoup those expenses even if I possibly did get a refund up to 50% of my outlay.

I would have loved 1 of the chiller/prep standalone units, but at £20k upfront and with only an estimated 50% back I couldnt make it work.

That and the unfortunate struggle to manage a full time job, plus dealing with an amount of carcasses needed to have it make any sense was not feasible.
Colin i did speak with the chap from LDNS i also spoke to the chap from SAOS . I told them to listen to w3hat the guys on the ground are saying and one of these schemes might actually work. Please remember that the money needs spent and i am sure there will be some who w3ill take advantage of the scheme to the detriment of the central belt stalkers it was ment to furnish. The over sears are Nature scot and there model of deer management is very different to our ow3n down here. It is time they came dow3n from the high ground and looked at the way we manage deer in there interest and for free.
 
I was in for the chiller scheme.
Unfortunately you had to put the whole value in yourself first and get 'upto' 50% back (that discretion was up to others to decide).

I couldnt see how, or where I would be able to recoup those expenses even if I possibly did get a refund up to 50% of my outlay.

I would have loved 1 of the chiller/prep standalone units, but at £20k upfront and with only an estimated 50% back I couldnt make it work.

That and the unfortunate struggle to manage a full time job, plus dealing with an amount of carcasses needed to have it make any sense was not feasible.
Very similar situation myself, having just invested in converting and creating a larder space with my own money, I was hoping the scheme would provide an opportunity to add additional chilling space and upgrade processing equipment, but in its current form it is not really workable for my circumstances.

Hopefully there’s an opportunity for feedback and perhaps a scheme with a greater level of support and straightforward application process can be considered.
 
Very similar situation myself, having just invested in converting and creating a larder space with my own money, I was hoping the scheme would provide an opportunity to add additional chilling space and upgrade processing equipment, but in its current form it is not really workable for my circumstances.

Hopefully there’s an opportunity for feedback and perhaps a scheme with a greater level of support and straightforward application process can be considered.
This was ment to be a simple process.God know3s what a complicated one looks like. I know there is an option for you to upgrade or by knew equipment. Like knifes scales burger press sausage stuffers etc. Not not sure how they would calculate through put from them. But i do know they need rid of this cash so stick something in i am sure you w3ill get it.
 
I was in for the chiller scheme.
Unfortunately you had to put the whole value in yourself first and get 'upto' 50% back (that discretion was up to others to decide).

I couldnt see how, or where I would be able to recoup those expenses even if I possibly did get a refund up to 50% of my outlay.

I would have loved 1 of the chiller/prep standalone units, but at £20k upfront and with only an estimated 50% back I couldnt make it work.

That and the unfortunate struggle to manage a full time job, plus dealing with an amount of carcasses needed to have it make any sense was not feasible.
I know someone who applied to this lowland deer managers fund (don't know if it's the same one ), the one that's giving 50% for equipment.
As he already has a chiller and all the stuff that goes with it, he asked for £ to change his quad. As its mainly reds he shoots, he couldn't do it without a quad
But he got refused as they said a quad wasn't essential.
 
The Venison Dealers Licence is recommended to be scrapped in the Natural Environment Scotland Bill;


It will help, but more needs to be done and 50% equipment grants do not go far enough and still require significant capital investment from stakeholders.

I would have preferred to see a grant system which provided a greater degree of financial support with a mechanism for it to be increased to 100% after a period of time where the stakeholder could demonstrate they had put an agreed cull target of deer through it.

When you consider additional costs such as equipment, ammunition, vehicle costs etc. the recreational stalker is already providing a significant degree of investment.

That said, the current initiative is a very positive step and hopefully it gains momentum and increased support.

I hope Scotland's venison dealer licence does get scrapped and legislation is brought into line with England and some kind of hunter's exemption. I shoot 30 or so roe a year with 10 surplus. Selling these at £30 each doesn't justify the £200 fee from the council for the dealer licence.
 
I hope Scotland's venison dealer licence does get scrapped and legislation is brought into line with England and some kind of hunter's exemption. I shoot 30 or so roe a year with 10 surplus. Selling these at £30 each doesn't justify the £200 fee from the council for the dealer licence.
Hunters exemption does still apply in Scotland, venison dealers license is required if you are doing any further processing other than basic larder prep. Basically, if you skin a carcass before selling it, you need a venison dealers license.

The Wild Game Guide is very helpful.

 
Hunters exemption does still apply in Scotland, venison dealers license is required if you are doing any further processing other than basic larder prep. Basically, if you skin a carcass before selling it, you need a venison dealers license.

The Wild Game Guide is very helpful.

That is only for your own deer you cannot process any other
 
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