Vets urging the govement to study the decline of foxes since hunting ban

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Not sure on how true it is however it is interesting that they are asking or gesturing at hunting with hounds coming back for the good of the fox, which I imagine will be very challenging for the general public to hear

For me, if it is legal then I've no problem with any of it. I don't shoot foxes as I don't need to, if I was asked to by the farmer I would however he has said they dint cause him any problems so they get a pass from me. I don't mind seeing the cubs running about or that big dog fox that is clearly a master of its environment. If however he got livestock or chickens and needed them reduced then I'd oblige as my duty for having the permission
 
Finch said:
If foxes are declining "catastrophically" why is the urban fox population booming?
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They've all relocated to inner cities and town's for an easy life of benefits and a diet of McDonald's and kebabs plus all the snowflakes feeding the one's breeding in their gardens.
 
Klenchblaize said:
Irrespective of any decline in fox numbers there’s definitely a discussion to be had about the use of thermal IMHO.

My feeling is there are a lot of people who have permission to shoot vermin but who are not subject to the pressure of attempting eradication. This affords the Hunter an opportunity to adopt a more challenging and frankly rewarding approach that is daylight fox stalking where you really have to work for your trophy pelt.

This is not to say there’s no place for thermal.

K
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Why not ditch the telescopic sight
Or the rifle all together and throw stones at them

I know thats OTT and im being a bit offish but if we all tried to stalk them during the day how many ground nesting birds do you think we would have left in the UK ?
 
T.eddie said:
Not sure on how true it is however it is interesting that they are asking or gesturing at hunting with hounds coming back for the good of the fox, which I imagine will be very challenging for the general public to hear

For me, if it is legal then I've no problem with any of it. I don't shoot foxes as I don't need to, if I was asked to by the farmer I would however he has said they dint cause him any problems so they get a pass from me. I don't mind seeing the cubs running about or that big dog fox that is clearly a master of its environment. If however he got livestock or chickens and needed them reduced then I'd oblige as my duty for having the permission
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I do it for the ground nesting birds and hares really - im not sure shooting the odd one makes much difference - but im out 4/5 times a week minimum and the results are coming through with increasing numbers of woodcock / nightjar / hare / grey partridge/ lapwing and skylark. Even had a visit or two from Curlew
 
I shoot foxes, but haven said that on the farms and land I shoot i respect the farmers or landowners instruction, so on the golf course i shoot just rabbits as i do on most of the farms i shoot, only those with chickens, or lambs ask me to shoot them. I enjoy watching them and take no pleasure in shooting the ones i do, but know if i do not do so then i will lose the permission, as for the farmers it is their livelihood.
 
jall55 said:
I do it for the ground nesting birds and hares really - im not sure shooting the odd one makes much difference - but im out 4/5 times a week minimum and the results are coming through with increasing numbers of woodcock / nightjar / hare / grey partridge/ lapwing and skylark. Even had a visit or two from Curlew
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There are plenty of hares and partridge on the farms and occasional woodcock. There are also a fair amount of rabbits, so foxes get the pass as they may take a couple of rabbits here and there also

If there was a conservation effort needed for any of the above they would certainly be taken but at the moment it hasn't been needed
 
T.eddie said:
There are plenty of hares and partridge on the farms and occasional woodcock. There are also a fair amount of rabbits, so foxes get the pass as they may take a couple of rabbits here and there also

If there was a conservation effort needed for any of the above they would certainly be taken but at the moment it hasn't been needed
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Fair play bud - i dont want an argument at all - but to me you see its all about conservation
 
jall55 said:
Why not ditch the telescopic sight
Or the rifle all together and throw stones at them

I know thats OTT and im being a bit offish but if we all tried to stalk them during the day how many ground nesting birds do you think we would have left in the UK ?
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Read my post in full please. At no point have I suggested one size fits all.

Best

K
 
Bo Diddley said:
I can only speak of the 500-acre farm at the bottom of my garden, I've shot & hunted on this patch on and off for the last 42 years, I even did a few years as the part-time keeper on there, and there are more foxes now than there ever were when the hunt was in full swing, we always left them alone because it was the first place the hunt looked at the start of the morning, the hunt has long since stopped coming so close to the village.
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lack of effort on your behalf or comming in off a larger area that isnt shot etc ?
 
favourable habitat including food and reduced predation increases the success rate of ground nesting birds among other Bird species this is commonly known with much research done to support this and accepted by all with a interest and has been the case for a very very long time especially in the uplands langhome report interesting especially regarding the demise and now success of the harrier among a raft of other species.
No shortage of foxs in areas I know of where no conservation work done and even the rspb mindful of this, lamb losses on some farms not that long ago were serious in one area and grey partridges a rare thing.
Fast forward nearly a decade with between sixty to eighty fox’s taken every year and a lack of carrion nests only a odd lamb or two taken and grey partridges on the up along with leveret survival.
Rabbits only in very small numbers and farms join each other interestingly no organised shooting takes place nor keepers for miles foxs disperse from a city and industrial area close to hand and wooded nature reserves along one boundry. The only driving factor behind fox control been sheep which has benefited other species so horses for courses. Edit. Rabbit numbers were never an issue with very few on the ground.
 
Scotty99 said:
I think this is a Trojan Horse / False Flag exercise to either ban trail hunting or ban fox shooting, not worked out which yet.
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It could well be, only benefit I see is that if the government admit they were wrong on this countryside issue, hopefully they will take pause next time and actually review scientific data / ask the people on the ground
 
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