Viht Tin Star (N32C) is Dead - Long Live RS14?

scrumbag

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Hi folks,

With Tin Star being discontinued and Trail Boss being long gone, I was wondering about a good "fluffy" powder for decent case fill in "plinking" applications.

Turns out Reload Swiss are bringing out a powder called RS14 which will have an odd shape to give a high case proportion.

It might well be here in the not too distant future.

Here's some info from Reload Swiss:

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Introduction RS14​

Dear Reload Swiss family,

We are proud to announce there will be a new addition to our product family in the fourth quarter of 2022. The new powder has been named RS14 and is suitable for cartridges that were originally designed for black powder propellants (e.g. .45 Colt), for reduced loads (if the permissible muzzle energy at the shooting range is limited), for subsonic ammunition and for training situations with handguns where the aim is to shoot with reduced power, but still with a good filling level.

What led us to accept this challenge? Some time ago now, we were told that it is proving increasingly difficult in Europe to get hold of a unique powder from a U.S. competitor. Apparently, this powder’s special feature is that you can almost always just about fill the case without worrying about excessive pressure. We were asked whether we could produce something similar. When we took a look at the benchmark powder, it turned out to be cut very thinly. This is done using a cutting technology that is not available to us in Wimmis. Besides the form of the powder, its very low bulk density of just a little over 300 g/l also impressed us. This is combined with a vivacity that, although high, is not exactly through the roof. Our thinking was that the low bulk density would require our powder to have an extremely high porosity, which would result in a much higher vivaciy than that of the U.S. powder. Only very late in the day did we notice the relatively low energy content. This naturally also reduces the vivacity. Armed with this knowledge, we launched an initial sample production operation at the end of September 2020. The two samples already represented a very good start at the time (in terms of bulk density, energy content and vivacity). The vivacity was even a little below the level we were aiming for. Following targeted adjustments to the manufacturing parameters and further sample production operations, the reference sample was mixed at the end of 2021 and will serve as a guideline for the product in the future. In 2022, we then obtained certifications, prepared the data sheet, drew up the safety data sheet, generated initial load data, spoke to the importers and provided initial samples for opinion-forming purposes.

In terms of shape, you are primarily used to single-perforated powder and flake powder. With RS14, we are now introducing a T-shaped powder. Fear not – you barely see or notice the shape. Dispensing from standard dispensers is very uniform and reliable. What’s more, we have a great deal of experience with such powders in military applications. Consequently, they are only new in reloading applications.

The first batch was produced some time ago and we are currently working on the second in order to ensure supplies. RS14 has a bulk density of approx. 320 g/l, an energy content of approx. 3,250 J/g and a vivacity just below the benchmark that has already been referred to several times. Overall, we come very close to the benchmark at the range. In our opinion, we have successfully kept our promise of producing something similar. And it goes without saying that the new powder is REACH-compliant.

So, it’s now up to you to see what you think of our latest addition to the Reload Swiss family. We hope the powder helps you make lots of cartridges that bring you enjoyment and success.

On behalf of the Reload Swiss Team

Jan Krcmar

Pascal Beer

Urs Altorfer

Dominik Antenen"

And Reload Swiss RS® - RS14 Rifle and Pistol Powder

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"RS14 Rifle/Pistol Powder​

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Uses​


RS14 has been developed specifically for the needs of Reload Swiss RS.
Boasting a unique combination of minimal bulk density, low energy content and high vivacity, it is suitable for reduced loads, light cowboy action loads and subsonic loads for revolver and rifle calibres.
Tips:

  • Recommended load: Filling level of approx. 50% to 100% for all calibres.
  • Lead or copper-plated bullets for handgun calibres.
  • Self-loading guns: The self-loading function is not a given for all loadings and calibres.

Standard calibres​

  • .38 Special
  • .30-30 Win.
  • .338 Lapua Mag
  • .357 Mag.
  • .308 Win.
  • .375 H&H Mag.
  • .44 Special
  • .30-06 Spring.
  • .444 Marlin
  • .44 Mag.
  • .300 Win. Mag.
  • .45-70 Govt.
  • .44-40 Win.
  • 7,5 × 55 Swiss
  • .458 Win. Mag.
  • .45 ACP
  • 7.62 x 54 R
  • .50 Browning
  • .45 Colt
  • 8 x 51 R Lebel
  • .500 S&W Mag.
  • 8 x 57 IS

Packaging units​

400 g can

Powder type​

RS14 is a porous, extruded, nitrocellulose-based propellant powder.

Safe service life​

If properly stored, the propellant powder remains safe to use for up to ten years.

Verification tolerances​

Batch-to-batch tolerance:
v5 ±12 m/s
pmax ±250 bar

Key characteristics​

Heat of explosionapprox. 3,200 J/g
Bulk densityapprox. 320 g/l
Length x width x heightapprox. 1.2 x 1.1 x 0.8 mm
Thicknessapprox. 0.3 mm

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What I think is interesting with the above is the mention of various "proper" rifle cartridges such as .30-06 and even things like .375 H&H and .458WM. I understand load data is still coming through but there is factory data for .338 Lapua mag which is based on a .416 Rigby case...
 
Maybe if you want "trigger time" on a 458WM etc. you would like a soft shooting round? Or it would mean you could maybe get that trigger time inside your range's ME limits.

David.
 
Bit of both

So I look at it like this

Can be within range limits
Cheaper (Using a 458WM with cast lead bullets designed is a lot cheaper than jacketed bullets, particular those designed with buffalo etc in mind)
Less abusive on the shoulder

I would be interested to find out if I could resize heavy ~0.430" 300gr cast bullets for .44 mag down to the ~.423 bore size of .404 Jeff for example.

Now, the NRA does not like you using your own "concoctions" of load data to make range limitations - 4500J to avoid HME loading procedures and under most circumstances a 7,000 absolute max. However, if the load data is published, they have a lot harder time arguing. Reload Swiss will publish user data if they agree with the sense checks they do.

Also might be a good powder with .44 mag for plinking loads as some of the other powders give a very low case fill.

Scrummy
 
Thought I might revive this thread to see if anyone has tried RS 14 or managed to source any?
 
Yep, I have some which I have been playing with making subsonic .223 loads, seems to work really quite well so far. Horrifyingly expensive though!!!
 
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Thought I might revive this thread to see if anyone has tried RS 14 or managed to source any?
I ordered a tub from a friend who is an RFD and nearly fainted when I paid on pick up!

I'm going to try it since I have it but won't buy more as it's so pricey (I hadn't realised I was only buying 500g, not a kilo when told the price.)
 
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Are you sure it is 500g? Packaging is marked 400g.

I saw it in my local store for 107 Eur/bottle. Too much for me, specialy because they still had N32C for 85eur.
 
Used 5grains RS14 with 240grain GM RNFP in 44Mag Lever action 20" barrel ran it through chrony and it averaged 860fps at gallery range in comparison to a 10grain load RS20 with 240grain GM RNFP running at average of 1290fps. Its a 400g tub and comparable to Vihtavhouri Tinstar thats no longer available.
 
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