Westlake
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750-800 fps , which is under our clubs range limit
Because it’s classed as a muzzle loading revolver it can be acquired on a firearm certificate
I’ve also got a Uberti cattleman colt .44 which operates the same way by loading the cylinder on a stand with powder and ball and primed with shotgun primers.
Mine has been converted to Nitro powder by the late Richard Kershaw of Kershaw Conversions.
Richard was a respected club member of our local Yorkshire Renegades, a Cowboy Action Shooting.
His Cowboy name was Legend which he most certainly was.
A total gentleman and very knowledgeable of all things to do with cap and ball revolvers.
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Don’t shoot me down for asking.
I note they are on a Taurus frame, is the frame modified so that a metallic cartridge cylinder can’t be used in the muzzle loading frame?
I note they are on a Taurus frame, is the frame modified so that a metallic cartridge cylinder can’t be used in the muzzle loading frame?
8x57
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After leaving the army Alan Westlake was at one time involved with modifying or making parts for Jaguar racing cars or so I believe, don't know if he ever had any involvement with motorcycles.
He's a very talented engineer as well as being an excellent pistol shot (he was considered to be "the grand master" at service pistol A when he was a warrant officer in REME). He's produced some excellent work including a re-design of the Britarms pistol to comply with our stupid laws on long barrelled pistols and muzzle loading pistols/revolvers despite facing huge restrictions and hurdles placed before him by the authorities.
The current Westlake revolver is based on the Alpha-proj revolver but was previously based on a Taurus frame before supply issues became a problem.
8x57
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From memory I believe that the frame remains unaltered and that a new cylinder to fit is manufactured that is not bored entirely through so that it will only take 209 shotgun primers and must be front stuffed.
palmer_mike
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I guess it’s not really an issue. It would be an offence to obtain a spare cylinder and swap it out for the Westlake one, therefore as FAC holders we are trusted not to do so.
Also, are cylinders controlled parts therefore not readily available without the correct authorisation?
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8x57
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Yes cylinders are a pressure bearing part so are controlled.
I’ve seen the muzzle loading model advertised for sale with spare cylinder so allow the shooter more time on the target. I was thinking that if there isn’t a modification preventing the use of a standard cylinder then it could easily be swapped. Which I don’t believe would comply with regs. It would be an offence but was thinking along the lines of “readily convertible” as per the ban on certain blank firing firearms.
It’s not impossible for some one to have a muzzle loader and LBP of the same make and swap the cylinders. The government like to try and legislate against stupid but you never know what people will do. Intrusive thoughts and all… even if illegal.
8x57
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They could swap the cylinders between their LBR and their muzzle loading version of the same revolver but the cylinder timing would likely be out leading to misalignment and spitting at best. If someone owned both and wanted to use one for criminal intent it would be easier to simply take a hacksaw to the LBR to convert it to a "proper" pistol.
Thank you for clarifying. I have no experience at all with revolvers.
Description from the Westlake Engineering website:
The Taurus ML Revolver was converted from a Taurus .357 Magnum Long Barrelled Revolver. The cylinder was removed and a Yoke extension fitted, this contained the spring-loaded plunger that freed the action when the yoke was closed. As this extension cannot be removed it prevented the re-fitting of the original cylinder. The Barrel was shortened to approximately 5 ¼ inches and the wristbrace was removed.
The Taurus ML Revolver was converted from a Taurus .357 Magnum Long Barrelled Revolver. The cylinder was removed and a Yoke extension fitted, this contained the spring-loaded plunger that freed the action when the yoke was closed. As this extension cannot be removed it prevented the re-fitting of the original cylinder. The Barrel was shortened to approximately 5 ¼ inches and the wristbrace was removed.
HistoricBore
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Yes, On an FAC>
Alan Westlake regulated and tuned my Browning Hi_Power 9mm pistol in 1992. He is ex British Army, but also knows about cars (Jaguars).
HB
Alan Westlake regulated and tuned my Browning Hi_Power 9mm pistol in 1992. He is ex British Army, but also knows about cars (Jaguars).
HB
I wish we could still shoot those!
massive fun i had a 4” one day ill buy another but this time ill get a 6”
stephen quinn
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I used to own one with a spare cylinder but the primers constantly backed out on to the back shield which made for a hard double action shot and very hard cocking shot cheap to run accurate and nice to shoot a nitro revolver again but it was the problem for me mine had a 4 in barrel
Smellydog
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Did you try upping the charge?
Czech or Philippine ?
long_range_rob
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I bought my first 9mm in the ‘90s from a retiring Army medical officer who was informed that a a civi he couldn’t have 11 9mm pistols
He’d always stuck with the calibre as ammunition didn’t cost him anything.
Colonel Rimfire
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Hey all its been a while
In the light of resurecting an old-ish thread here, Im thinking of getting one of these with a spare cylinder, Probaly a silly question, but I'm just wondering with ML pistols do you have to state the amount of ammuntion you want to posses on the variation?
In the light of resurecting an old-ish thread here, Im thinking of getting one of these with a spare cylinder, Probaly a silly question, but I'm just wondering with ML pistols do you have to state the amount of ammuntion you want to posses on the variation?
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