alsonlaw9936
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457 can swap barrel easily right ?
Which .22lr ?
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Yes you can
markj1
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Possibly, I was talking about plinking though, which in my case is all I do with the .22.
markj1
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From memory they have 4 calibre options.
(And you can obviously also swap a short barrel with a long barrel etc)
alsonlaw9936
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Yea to me it's make more sense to get 455 / 457 and incase of lead ban then I'll just variant it and swap to a 17hmr or somthing instead of buying a £200 .22 and waste it down the road and buy another one
personally i dont care how much per bullet during pest control or hunting . However i do care about practicing with the same ammo . Its hard enough to have your dope in your head for different types of ammo let alone practice and quarry ammo on each rifle . Indeed as i have been 95% copper a while now my pocket has felt the difference and i have wound in my " practice " sessions a fair old amount and upped my dry fire sessions.
HonestJohn
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I think it’s fair to conclude that practice, range sessions, target shooting and anything fun related will die a quick death when lead is ultimately banned completely. The cost of copper and rising cost of components will make it virtually unaffordable to 99.9% of shooters, except for the lucky few and those really committed to investing in their sport
Dunwaters
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I wouldn’t be getting too worried about.22 ammo, it’s looking very much like there’ll be a derogation.
Its dawning on the powers that be that there’s no viable alternative.
Besides
So long as you have a suitable range safely management plan in place to include lead capture and recovery, even out door ranges are permitted to continue with lead .22LR
So long as you have a suitable range safely management plan in place to include lead capture and recovery, even out door ranges are permitted to continue with lead .22LR
Len the dog
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If the looming ban does include a derogation for ranges with management plans, then lead ammunition will only be available for use on those ranges. If you are thinking of a little target shooting on your own land or permission then you would be breaching the rules.
Dunwaters
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True, but under current proposals only elite sports persons will be given permission to purchase and possess lead ammunition, not everyone will be included in that bracket.
markj1
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Hopefully that won't be the case.
If young people can't train, how can anyone become an elite sports person?
In other words, once the current generation of Olympic shooters retire, there will be no continuation.
At any rate, if the range has lead management facilities, I don't see why it matters who's doing the shooting.
Ultimately, lead isn't a banned substance as such, it's just that the authorities are rightly trying to prevent it from being absorbed into the ground.
Dunwaters
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The UK proposals clearly state that use of lead will be limited to elite sports persons involved in international competition on approved ranges.
There does seem to be a bit of movement towards common sense where small bore rifles are concerned.
UK REACH proposals appear to be a bit more restrictive than EU.
We have implemented a ban on lead shot over “ wetlands” last February, so far it’s not being enforced , for how much longer that will remain the case I don’t know.
markj1
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I’m confused
If in door .22LR ranges are OK to use lead ammo then surely so are the club members- all of them
Same with outdoor ranges with a suitable management plan - so then all their members will be allowed
The elite shooter rule is for shotgun not rim fire
That’s my understanding
If in door .22LR ranges are OK to use lead ammo then surely so are the club members- all of them
Same with outdoor ranges with a suitable management plan - so then all their members will be allowed
The elite shooter rule is for shotgun not rim fire
That’s my understanding
Dunwaters
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I hope your right, but from my reading of the proposals the “sale, possession, and use “ of lead ammunition is banned after the transition period with the exception of elite sports persons shooting on approved ranges.
That was copied and pasted directly from the EU REACH proposals.
Whether it goes ahead I don’t know, the Scandinavian rejection of the restrictions on hunting ammunition plus the EU hunting organisations request for access to the scientific data to back up the ban seems to have thrown the timeline for the EU ban into a bit of a tailspin.
Confusing isn’t it
REACH is an EU invention
Largely a protectionist racket !
I speak as someone who spent a considerable period advising multi nationals on COSHH and the US equivalent
I’m out of date now but …
As I understand it
Lead shotgun banned other than for the elites and toffs
Large calibre hunting with lead banned
despite no evidence of the link between consumption of venison and high Pb blood levels
(Which gov has tried to tap dance around)
.22LR allowed in doors and outdoors when Pb management in place
The real target is not the Env or public health- but shooting itself
Am I missing something???
Len the dog
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Absolutely this.
markj1
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nun_hunter
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Hi all I'm new to shooting in general , and I finally gotten my licencenow the question is which .22lr do I go to I'm torn between sako quad range , cz457 lpr or tikka t1x.
One of the biggest things to think about when buying any new rifle is "are you going to keep it factory spec?“ if the answer is yes then buy whatever you like the look of, fits and feels good and is suited to your end goal.
If however you want to fit an aftermarket stock that's adjustable, or a different magazine system (or just replacements) or use the rifle for a variety of opposing uses then you need to be a bit more careful and choose a make/model that has this support.
There are plenty of lovely rifles, I had a HWJ60 that had a lovely wooden stock and amazing trigger and smooth action, but the stock was not adjustable and didn't work with NV, I had to have a suitable picatinny rail made for QD mounts for the NV, magazines were very expensive and there weren't any aftermarket stock options for it.
If you're the kind of person who buys a phone and just uses it in factory settings, or has never put an automatic car in sports mode then buy one of the fancy suggested rifles in this thread. If that's not you then get a Tikka T1X or CZ 457/452 as they'll shoot really well and when you want some aftermarket parts to make them more versatile you have plenty of options.
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