Why should I not get a 204 ruger
- Thread starter big ears
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lol
True. I get only 3900 from mine. As you can imagine, I feel well and truly swindled!
Hi there is not such a thing as a flat shooting rifle ,the 204 drops nearly 6inches at 300yds the wind drift is about 26 inches at 350yds so if you cant read less than a 1mph wind the fox is is gut shot at best or missed
Hi mate if you are serious about shooting at ranges around 300yds no calibre is flat to that range ,the main factor is the wind do your homework look at some ballistic charts and check out wind drift
Hornet 6
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Don't know about the 40 v-max but you certainly can with 40 grain Nosler's and a stiff load of Vit N-120
Neil.
big ears
Well-Known Member
I have looked and if I can get a 40gr 223 travelling at 3800 the wind drift is twice that of a 39gr 204 travelling at 3600, that's using Shooter Calculator the drift at 300yards for a 10mph side wind is 10" for 223 and 5" for 204. As you say this is a learning curve and the more you shoot out to that range the more you will be able to judge holdover and wind age. It's a case of practicing on paper before shooting real animals. This is something I have always done with all my firearms.
my dilemma is now that I have gone full circle, should I buy another 223 and set it up for daytime shooting OR get a 204. Is the extra cost of brass, set etc. worth the benefit of the 204 over the 223 or the 20 practical. This probably the nub of the question.
BE
Jenson_logan
New Member
I am thinking of a variation to get a .204 myself now to fill the gap between the .17HMR and my 6.5x55
Claret_Dabbler
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What wind value moves a 204 bullet 26 inches at 350 yards ?
Claret_Dabbler
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That fits pretty closely to my observerations on gongs out to 400 yards.
bewsher500
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26mph!!
| Drag Function: G1 Ballistic Coefficient: 0.287 Bullet Weight: 39 gr Initial Velocity: 4000 fps Sight Height : 1.5 in Shooting Angle: 0° | Wind Speed: 26 mph Wind Angle: 90° Zero Range: 100 yd Chart Range: 350 yd Maximum Range: 4417 yd Step Size: 50 yd | International Standard Atmosphere Altitude: Sea Level (0 ft) Barometric Pressure: 29.92 Hg Temperature: 59° F Relative Humidity: 50% Speed of Sound: 1116 fps |
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Claret_Dabbler
Well-Known Member
Great, that makes sense.
Can an you re-run those numbers for a 40gr 224" bullet at the same MV and a 26mph cross wind?
Should be interesting.
jthyttin
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Don't know about your calculator, but with those figures and at sea level JBM gives:
http://jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj_simp-5.1.cgi
- 9.8" drift for 20cal 39gr Blitzking
- 13.1" drift for 22cal 40gr Blitzking
and for boattail 22cal 40gr, so you're not comparing apples to oranges:
- 10.9" drift for 22cal 40gr Ballistic Tip
For the record, I get 1100m/s / 3600fps for 40gr 223 Rem at 20" barrel length, and this is using softer CCI primers (I run hotter loads with other bullets and BR primers). So 3800fps should be doable given a longer barrel.
big ears
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my calculator gives it as 41.8"
bobjs
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running my second 20 cal and love it,
just about to set it up for full time nv and cant wait,
so please don't purchase a 204 as said before you will be buying bullets that should be left on the shelf for me, primers are fairly ok on stocks and I have loads of RL10X
so leave the 39/40 gr bullets alone please.
PS: what is wind drift ? and my 20 cal does not shoot flat either.
bob.
just about to set it up for full time nv and cant wait,
so please don't purchase a 204 as said before you will be buying bullets that should be left on the shelf for me, primers are fairly ok on stocks and I have loads of RL10X
so leave the 39/40 gr bullets alone please.
PS: what is wind drift ? and my 20 cal does not shoot flat either.
bob.
What powder,and have you ever run it through quick load to get an idea of pressure.Mine was a 26" barrel and at 3800 had serious pressure signs.Like I said 4000 bumf!
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triggersqueezer
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erm well i'm bravely going against the trend.my findings with 2 .204 rifles were if your trying to shoot lr it still hates the wind .in order to shoot lr you need good accuracy but i had to slow both mine down to get decent accuracy.i much prefered a fast twist 223 or even better still a 6 br .any one can dial in your drop for a slower round but for me wind drift was the killer of the .204.
big ears
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Thanks triggersqueezer that is interesting because one of the claims of the 20 cal is that it bucks the wind more than the 22 cal.
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