Wild justice latest attack on shooting.

[CarlW]

What you say is right, I think, but I often wonder about Packham, when he was younger he actually stole a Kestrel Chick out of a nest and tried to raise it, but it died after a few weeks, and this devastated him, he buried the dead bird and for the next 17 years or so came back to its grave on the anniversary of the birds demise, was that cute behaviour,? or something else?, a guilty conscience perhaps, same as keeping his dead dog in the freezer, has he got this extreme bewilderment for raptors and song birds, because he knows he has to make amends for his ruthless behaviour in his youth.
Fanatical behaviour is the worst kind, because fanatics are not willing to listen to coherent arguments, because they fear being proved wrong, same with the general public, all they know is what they see and listen too, and no-one puts are side of the story to them, and unfortunately once they make up their mind it's very hard to get the to change their views.

Many successful people are also pretty complicated and pretty broken. Orphans and refugees make good entrepreneurs. However, I'm not sure that matters. What matters is that he is fighting a holy war; whereas the shooting orgs are just doing their job (badly), and shooters ...well ...we're just curled up in a ball, pleading through our tears:

"Please don't hurt me. I'm one of the good shooters; not the bad ones. I am a 'wildlife manager'. Let me give you the names of some of the naughty ones so that you can focus on them instead."

 

[25 Sharps]

What you say is right, I think, but I often wonder about Packham, when he was younger he actually stole a Kestrel Chick out of a nest and tried to raise it, but it died after a few weeks, and this devastated him, he buried the dead bird and for the next 17 years or so came back to its grave on the anniversary of the birds demise, was that cute behaviour,? or something else?, a guilty conscience perhaps, same as keeping his dead dog in the freezer, has he got this extreme bewilderment for raptors and song birds, because he knows he has to make amends for his ruthless behaviour in his youth.
Fanatical behaviour is the worst kind, because fanatics are not willing to listen to coherent arguments, because they fear being proved wrong, same with the general public, all they know is what they see and listen too, and no-one puts are side of the story to them, and unfortunately once they make up their mind it's very hard to get the to change their views.

I believe he’s autistic which would explain the obsessional behaviour of his youth, doesn’t make him a psycho

 

[kripton]

I suppose it is inevitable but Packham seems to get more "press" on this forum than he does in the papers and other media

 

[User00036]

Wouldn't it make more sense if a GL was part of the firearms or shotgun license, after all thats what we got guns for, & would save a great deal of legislation. Problem solved. Says on my firearms cert for vermin & pest control.

 

[User00025]

Quote Country Boy "Shooting birds is completely screwed in this country now, only a matter of time, which won't be that long.

I sit in the garden and what do I see.,a few small birds ,but mainly :-
Buzzards, sparrow hawks, carrion crows, jackdaws, and woodpigeons (eating my plants).

Licences.......General Licences ...........legal challenges........ Ive had enough. I`ll stick to deer (in season)

What no magpies? You are lucky. Oh nearly forgot Kites and Peregrine's along with the odd Goshawk. You are indeed lucky.

 

[User00036]

Add Green woodpecker to that list TFH, you should see what that fekker did to my house martin colony, 14 nests on the ground.

 

[nick.308]

what about having a modern day Robin Hood, shoots deer and gives it free to the poor? just a thought

 

[JTO]

I have got more respect for Packham than I have for the shooting organisations (and indeed many shooters). The man believes passionately and unwaveringly in his cause, and will do absolutely anything to further it. I wish we had more like him on our side.

People with Autism do have obsessions and Packham certainly has one. I think someone with a shooting obsession, a Gun Nut if you like, with a terminal illness is likely to blow his head off one day.

 

[JTO]

And now it's reported that Boris has married Carrie Symonds, there's something to worry about.

 

[CarlW]

People with Autism do have obsessions and Packham certainly has one. I think someone with a shooting obsession, a Gun Nut if you like, with a terminal illness is likely to blow his head off one day.

I don't know much about autism, but I have a young friend who has it, and who is a keen shooter. I've never seen him as the 'blow his head off' type. He is meticulous in the extreme, but he is no danger to himself or indeed to anyone else.

 

[JTO]

I don't know much about autism, but I have a young friend who has it, and who is a keen shooter. I've never seen him as the 'blow his head off' type. He is meticulous in the extreme, but he is no danger to himself or indeed to anyone else.

I didn't say that 'gun nuts' are Autistic, but I believe Packham is or might me.

 

[Greenmist]

Wouldn't it make more sense if a GL was part of the firearms or shotgun license, after all thats what we got guns for, & would save a great deal of legislation. Problem solved. Says on my firearms cert for vermin & pest control.

That would be misused by authorities to provide good reason to own a shotgun

 

[NullMac]

The main thrust of Wild Justice is against shooting for fun.

Maybe, but so is the law. You can't just shoot something for fun, that's not a defence in the law.

I am sure their motives are to limit shooting but I suspect they are bright enough to acknowledge they are never going to stop it, hence why they go at pigeon shooting from a legal compliance perspective rather than just ban it, as that would just allow the government to label them nutters trying to undermine agriculture and ignore them. Harder with this approach.

Equally, I have never heard them argue we should not shoot deer. Government/NGA policy is effectively pushing for more deer shooting and quietly trying to change that from a cost to the public purse into a revenue stream from private stalkers. Never going to shout that from the rooftops, but it is definitely on the agenda.

One of the problems is that game/bird shooting has just rolled on for years without much thought as to what is appropriate and what isn't. The realisation that we are releasing 40 million birds into the environment every year along with 1000 tonnes of lead obviously leads to questions about regulation and licensing on one hand (compare to cattle?) and pollution regulations. Every other industry has to jump through hoops, but game shooting has slipped by unnoticed.

Now CP's reasons may well be malicious but I suspect he is onto a winner on a couple of points at least.

 

[enfieldspares]

And WHERE in all of this is New Labour, or Labour, whatever it calls itself now in defending the right of those that can't afford to shoot pheasant, partridge, grouse and etc. to shoot the odd pigeon or two "for the pot"? Traditionally when I grew up pigeon shooting was not just about crop protection but also a chance for many to take their gun to go out and bring back food for the table. Either decoying, shooting a flight line, roost shooting or just walking up the odd hedgerow come evening time. It's about time that right was brought back. The right to shoot woodpigeon in sole order to harvest it for its food value.

 

[JTO]

I was telling the children on PigeonWatch years ago that roost shooting and shooting over stubble had effectively been banned by the General License wording, but they just saw it as a 'grey area', hoping BASC would sort it out.

 

[Liveonce]

I was telling the children on PigeonWatch years ago that roost shooting and shooting over stubble had effectively been banned by the General License wording, but they just saw it as a 'grey area', hoping BASC would sort it out.

They have nothing in the GLs bans either of them, or so BASC say.

 

[JTO]

They have nothing in the GLs bans either of them, or so BASC say.

"The General Licences are published on websites and list the species which can be killed and the circumstances and purposes under which killing is lawful."
"The legal judgment referred to in the last of those blogs, by Justice Jarman, made it clear that the legality of the general licences was dependent on there being a present danger and that the licences should not be relied upon at times of year or in locations where there was no threat to the interest being allegedly protected."

 

[kes]

It is still true that the majority of people have no direct interest in shooting, believing (correctly in my view) that excesses in all behaviours are controlled by their peers. Sadly it will take our orgs millenia to become 'light on their feet' to protect all forms of shooting.
Packham should be seen as he is - one of a cult of wannabe celebrities but fired by autism.
Carrie Symmonds on the other hand is a woman who will do literally anything to gain power and influence as she has done - there is no doubt she would not have married Boris if he wasnt willing to do her dirty work.
Our problem is our representation - totally inept in most cases and a massive lapse in threat analysis - still doing what they always did and therefore meeting no demands of an ever reducing community.

 

[finnbear270]

To be inept, They have to be present.

 

[Dan Newcombe]

It’s a stupid article in my opinion but there is zero requirement in the GL that you have to only shoot a certain number a day or that you can’t do it in a manner you enjoy - they are shooting according to the GL as long as they satisfy the requirements, there is nothing else.

This is just an attempt to discredit and misinform the public - unfortunately it is easier to make trouble than it is to show benefit and that’s why we will always struggle.