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Stalker1962 said:
Just a thought.

If you are going to use such 'signalling", then at least be inclusive about it. Your failure to add the "+" symbol at the end, excludes all those who do not identify as belonging to one of your 'designated' groups,

Tricky...ain't it...


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BASC press conferences of the future........



I've always feel that the fastest way to alienate people,who are genuinely interested in something, is to assume that they aren't capable of doing it themselves and in need of special treatment. Actually, come to think of it, it's a bit sexist.

But anyway, gender inequality is old hat, what I really want to hear you brag about is how miniscule your carbon footprint is, or some other meaningless bollocks
 
Conor O'Gorman said:
The more diverse we can be the more inclusive we can become. And that includes LGBTQQIP2SA shooters.
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Can’t wait for the annual BASC pan-gender LGBTBLTBBQ. Go woke, go broke. I won’t be renewing this year if that’s what you want to waste money on rather than addressing actual issues - but then that would be more difficult than just going all in on virtue signalling.

From a practical standpoint it also begs the question… how do you think a lot of the trans community and the rest of the letter salad after LGB are going to get an FAC given that they’re likely on some form of medication/anti-depressant and it is well known that the suicide risk is increased in that community.
 
I think estates offering ladies days and the occasional free raffle and so forth is plenty, I've done fine so far in my journey.

NullMac said:
Because men can't help telling women how to do it "properly".
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Yes sadly Its the one I struggle the most with just a few weeks ago I had a friend yelling in my ear the entire day about not shooting birds, whilst he was standing besides me shooting every bird that came over.

I fired a grand total of 6 shots that day because he pressured me so much to shoot that my brain sort of 'autopiloted' into just not wanting to shoot, On the contrary I met my uncle this year I held the lamp wrong and even tooted the car horn by accident whilst on a fox and not a single peep! ushered that it was okay (He still got the fox too!).
 
Well encouraging more ladies to take up deer stalking or shooting in general is a great idea, and a worthy cause. I have taken a number of ladies out stalking, and in general they are a pleasure to be with and listen to the advice given. They are, as a rule very good shots.

There are lady deer stalking groups that have recently been formed, and have a growing and active membership on social media. Both of the founders have been stalking with me for free, and I am aware that other deer stalkers support their cause and help where needed.
A large estate I have managed the deer on for many years is run by a women gamekeeper, and she has made an excellent job of it, and is local chairperson for the NGO.

If BASC, BDS or NGO want to promote more women joining the sport, what's the issue?
 
sikamalc said:
Well encouraging more ladies to take up deer stalking or shooting in general is a great idea, and a worthy cause. I have taken a number of ladies out stalking, and in general they are a pleasure to be with and listen to the advice given. They are, as a rule very good shots.

There are lady deer stalking groups that have recently been formed, and have a growing and active membership on social media. Both of the founders have been stalking with me for free, and I am aware that other deer stalkers support their cause and help where needed.
A large estate I have managed the deer on for many years is run by a women gamekeeper, and she has made an excellent job of it, and is local chairperson for the NGO.

If BASC, BDS or NGO want to promote more women joining the sport, what's the issue?
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Absolutely. The following article provides further insights to the one in the OP for those with an interest in this topic.

A sense of belonging

In honour of International Women's Day, Georgina Roberts shares her story and vision to help increase female participation in shooting sports.
basc.org.uk
 
Interesting replies, I wonder what @Artemis Deerstalking would wish to contribute?
They had a great time with the banned member Norfolk Deer Search on a ladies day, not their first or last either.
I have been taking out a member recently, great company.

On a different interest, as I teach fly fishing give me a female to teach any day of the week, they listen, and don't over power the cast!
 
For me it's this -

  • BASC always miss the mark.
  • BASC are continually seen to be letting shooters down and not pushing for what the majority of their members want.
  • There are already well established groups supporting women's shooting which could do with a leg up from BASC.
  • Support those groups to host events, dont rebrand & start your own when you can't even handle the issues you already have, it'll only stretch your finite resources.
It's not about the cause itself, it's the dipping into the easy win, public relations 'we care' signalling.
 
Wife number 2 took to stalking like a duck to water. She followed me about and shot well on paper for a while until I persuaded her to shoot her first Muntjac. That was it, she never looked back and became one of the keenest and indeed one of the best, it also helped her in her artwork She was an excellent and well known lowland and highground stalker with levels 1&2 although a little limited in strength where Reds were concerned. It only takes that first bit of interest and many girls lack the opportunity to partake in the initial thing.
I would be happy to take any lady out as I find they show much more attention to what you are trying to import to them, although at the moment I have a young chap who listens to every word we tell him and will be very good in a year or two.
The onus is on us chaps not BASC to get as many of the fair sex interested as we can.
 
Morkai said:
  • There are already well established groups supporting women's shooting which could do with a leg up from BASC.
  • Support those groups to host events, dont rebrand & start your own when you can't even handle the issues you already have, it'll only stretch your finite resources.
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Exactly this ^^^
I am all in favour of increasing women / diversity in shooting. I think there are too many traditional barriers within the fieldsports sector.
It is right that BASC and other organisations should have this on their radar, but the best way for them to deal with it is exactly as @Morkai states above.
 
MarinePMI said:
I don't think you have to; we don't in most cases (treat them as if they are fragile and need help). Heck, I know some women that will shoot circles around most male shooters. But, to get them into the sport, it does help if they have a female nexus of other female shooters, to help them learn. Many men tend to "mansplain" crap to women, which is demeaning and off-putting to them. But, when they have other female shooters and good male instructors who don't talk down to them, they tend to flourish, and become life long members of a sport and lifestyle.

Case in point. 20 years ago, it was damned near impossible for women to find female sized waders, boots, trousers and what not, geared for the shooting sports. I remember hearing a couple women talking to each other about it, somewhere around 2002. It was only after getting a small toe hold in the shooting sports, that the apparel companies woke up and saw a market (albeit a small one at the time). That small market niche is now a multi-million dollar market space....which then encourages other women to participate in hunting, shooting, etc.

We joke about pink camo, but that was driven by women who wanted to playful version of camo to call their own. And other women responded in droves supporting it.

Anyways, JMTCW...
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Unlike the majority of members on here you seem to understand this perfectly.

We have a bunch of white heterosexual males making up probably 90% of all firearms owners in the UK moaning about how they feel marginalised and segregated just because an organisation wished to increase the 6% of current females who have a SGC or FAC. If that's not a sign of privilege and fragility that they can't see then there's no point in saying anything further.

I stand by for the incoming and unoriginal woke/snowflake insults and yes I do own a Creedmoor too.
 
Herb64 said:
@Conor O'Gorman not that you or BASC will care 2 hoots enough is enough my membership is going to be cancelled before it’s renewal. If women want to shoot I’m sure they will. On our beaters day today I can think of 4 or 5 females who will be out. Not bad average when off the top of my head there will be 16 or so guns out. What concern of BASC is it the percentage of women own FAC or Shotgun Certificates. If women want to shoot they will. My partner (female) shoots well and will be with me on keepers day. She won’t shoot again for another year, not that she’s anti shooting (obviously) just that she prefers golf.

Personally I wish I could write things better than I do but I would suggest BASC have better things to fight than this.
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Exactly this^
 
Morkai said:
In 2021, 93% of the nail technician workforce was female and 7% was male.
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A job with notoriously bad conditions and pay, little to zero career progression, has been widely linked to human trafficking and sexual abuse plus the long term exposure to chemicals has been proven to cause numerous health defects and early death.

I don't think this is the flex you think it is and totally missed the point, which ironically so has this thread for the majority.
 
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