XL bully and dog breeds…

[gixer1]

It’s a funny old topic this as I find it can make people who are normally sane go off the rails.

My opinion is there are certain breeds I would trust less than others and that are capable of more damage than others - and I tend to avoid them. I do believe some are more prone to attack than others - bull breeds, Akita’s, chihuahua’s etc.

I would not trust many dogs fully with kids, I have owned two labradors in my life that have had the most trust from me due to their temperament - both had kids crawling on them and always tolerated it and showed caring for the kids.

An Akita bit someone the other day after the person when to pay it on the head - is that the fault of the dog? Well….partially, if a dog is likely to bite I would have it restrained in some way or muzzled, but it was also the fault of the person petting a dog with no regard.

I always instruct people to keep their face away from dogs regardless of the dog for safety.

It seems like too many people treat dogs as humans now….i watched a dog recently for a friend of my wife and no word of a lie, they asked us to put out 4 different foods and see which one the dog selected each night - no chance, I made it clear that I would put out one choice and the dog had the choice of eat or starve! It ate every night (likely because if it hadn’t my dog would have eaten the food) it came with -

4 blankets
2 beds
3 collars
3 jackets
A cage
9 different types of treats
Salmon oil to add to food for flavour.
2 leads depending on it it wanted to be walked close or wanted to run around.
A plate - as apparently it refuses to eat from a bowl…

I was in disbelief….i love my dogs, but they are dogs, not humans!

Regards,
Gixer

 

[enfieldspares]

Well GIXER this is why you're off the mark. For they are not dogs! Oh no! They are "fur babies"!

 

[potshotpat]

It’s a funny old topic this as I find it can make people who are normally sane go off the rails.

My opinion is there are certain breeds I would trust less than others and that are capable of more damage than others - and I tend to avoid them. I do believe some are more prone to attack than others - bull breeds, Akita’s, chihuahua’s etc.

I would not trust many dogs fully with kids, I have owned two labradors in my life that have had the most trust from me due to their temperament - both had kids crawling on them and always tolerated it and showed caring for the kids.

An Akita bit someone the other day after the person when to pay it on the head - is that the fault of the dog? Well….partially, if a dog is likely to bite I would have it restrained in some way or muzzled, but it was also the fault of the person petting a dog with no regard.

I always instruct people to keep their face away from dogs regardless of the dog for safety.

It seems like too many people treat dogs as humans now….i watched a dog recently for a friend of my wife and no word of a lie, they asked us to put out 4 different foods and see which one the dog selected each night - no chance, I made it clear that I would put out one choice and the dog had the choice of eat or starve! It ate every night (likely because if it hadn’t my dog would have eaten the food) it came with -

4 blankets
2 beds
3 collars
3 jackets
A cage
9 different types of treats
Salmon oil to add to food for flavour.
2 leads depending on it it wanted to be walked close or wanted to run around.
A plate - as apparently it refuses to eat from a bowl…

I was in disbelief….i love my dogs, but they are dogs, not humans!

Regards,
Gixer

You forgot that the dog likes to watch Coronation Street and East Enders on catch up.

 

[gixer1]

You forgot that the dog likes to watch Coronation Street and East Enders on catch up.

The funny thing is, I noticed that this dog wanted to sit where it wanted - and it always wanted to be higher up that everyone else in the room…it was trying to climb onto the back of chairs etc….it’s look of contempt when it got told “no” was something to behold! Not a bad dog, but just bad habits that the owners have let develop….

 

[Siggy]

In my opinion, the XL bully says more about the people that buy them than the breed. It's a breed brought into existence to fill the gap made by banning Pit Bulls. Given the huge variety of choice of breeds out there, people obviously want them because they want the kudos, the frisson of danger that they present, or they need the implied protection because of their life style or locality. if they want a tough looking massif breed they could easily have a bull massiff, doge de Bordeaux etc, breed which have (generally) been pacified by breeding for the show ring.

People definitely treat dogs like humans too much. A dog can be a pet, but it also needs a purpose. Labradoodles and cockapoos are born to be pets and do it very well, but working dogs need to do their jobs to feel fulfilled. I certainly wouldn't have a GWP if I didn't work them - plenty of other choices that fit will other aspects of my lifestyle. XL bullies are fighting/protection dogs - who really needs one of these for legitimate reasons these days?

 

[Klenchblaize]

And of course a good percentage of those who simply must have an XL Bully are just as unlikely to comply with the registration and allied requirements to permit retention of their pet as they are to apply for a Section 5 Firearms License.

K

 

[Dunwaters]

The evidence and expert advice is that breed bans are ineffective.
I don’t know if that’s correct but it has always seemed to me that a dog’s ability to cause damage is directly related to their size more than what it says on the pedigree.

 

[JockStalk]

It’s a funny old topic this as I find it can make people who are normally sane go off the rails.

My opinion is there are certain breeds I would trust less than others and that are capable of more damage than others - and I tend to avoid them. I do believe some are more prone to attack than others - bull breeds, Akita’s, chihuahua’s etc.

I would not trust many dogs fully with kids, I have owned two labradors in my life that have had the most trust from me due to their temperament - both had kids crawling on them and always tolerated it and showed caring for the kids.

An Akita bit someone the other day after the person when to pay it on the head - is that the fault of the dog? Well….partially, if a dog is likely to bite I would have it restrained in some way or muzzled, but it was also the fault of the person petting a dog with no regard.

I always instruct people to keep their face away from dogs regardless of the dog for safety.

It seems like too many people treat dogs as humans now….i watched a dog recently for a friend of my wife and no word of a lie, they asked us to put out 4 different foods and see which one the dog selected each night - no chance, I made it clear that I would put out one choice and the dog had the choice of eat or starve! It ate every night (likely because if it hadn’t my dog would have eaten the food) it came with -

4 blankets
2 beds
3 collars
3 jackets
A cage
9 different types of treats
Salmon oil to add to food for flavour.
2 leads depending on it it wanted to be walked close or wanted to run around.
A plate - as apparently it refuses to eat from a bowl…

I was in disbelief….i love my dogs, but they are dogs, not humans!

Regards,
Gixer

Blimey. I don’t have that many jackets myself.

 

[gixer1]

The evidence and expert advice is that breed bans are ineffective.
I don’t know if that’s correct but it has always seemed to me that a dog’s ability to cause damage is directly related to their size more than what it says on the pedigree.

I can’t see how breed bans wouldn’t work - if the dogs numbers are dramatically reduced they can’t be a problem surely?

And I have lived with newfoundlands, pretty big dogs but I can’t think of a single occurrence of one attacking anyone….Great Danes, again, I can’t think of single occurrence of an attack involving one….

Terriers, I can recall some incidents.

I know it’s more to do with the specific dog but as said I do think some have it in them naturally.

 

[Neddle]

It’s a funny old topic this as I find it can make people who are normally sane go off the rails.

My opinion is there are certain breeds I would trust less than others and that are capable of more damage than others - and I tend to avoid them. I do believe some are more prone to attack than others - bull breeds, Akita’s, chihuahua’s etc.

I would not trust many dogs fully with kids, I have owned two labradors in my life that have had the most trust from me due to their temperament - both had kids crawling on them and always tolerated it and showed caring for the kids.

An Akita bit someone the other day after the person when to pay it on the head - is that the fault of the dog? Well….partially, if a dog is likely to bite I would have it restrained in some way or muzzled, but it was also the fault of the person petting a dog with no regard.

I always instruct people to keep their face away from dogs regardless of the dog for safety.

It seems like too many people treat dogs as humans now….i watched a dog recently for a friend of my wife and no word of a lie, they asked us to put out 4 different foods and see which one the dog selected each night - no chance, I made it clear that I would put out one choice and the dog had the choice of eat or starve! It ate every night (likely because if it hadn’t my dog would have eaten the food) it came with -

4 blankets
2 beds
3 collars
3 jackets
A cage
9 different types of treats
Salmon oil to add to food for flavour.
2 leads depending on it it wanted to be walked close or wanted to run around.
A plate - as apparently it refuses to eat from a bowl…

I was in disbelief….i love my dogs, but they are dogs, not humans!

Regards,
Gixer

Should never pat a strange dog on top of the head that's common sense

 

[Foxyboy43]

The funny thing is, I noticed that this dog wanted to sit where it wanted - and it always wanted to be higher up that everyone else in the room…it was trying to climb onto the back of chairs etc….it’s look of contempt when it got told “no” was something to behold! Not a bad dog, but just bad habits that the owners have let develop….

And therein lies the problem - stupid bloody owners!

 

[Foxyboy43]

Should never pat a strange dog on top of the head that's common sense

Yep and many, many times I have told people not to used outstretched (bite-sized) fingers - if they must insist on “patting” strange dogs…..

 

[shakey jake]

Should never pat a strange dog on top of the head that's common sense

its not common sense it learned from living with dogs

 

[gixer1]

its not common sense it learned from living with dogs

^^this^^ common thought says to pat on the top of a head….

 

[Neddle]

Should only touch a strange dog under then chin after it's sniffed your hand,and only then if it let's you,you'd soon get fed up with strangers touching your own head

 

[nun_hunter]

I can’t see how breed bans wouldn’t work - if the dogs numbers are dramatically reduced they can’t be a problem surely?

And I have lived with newfoundlands, pretty big dogs but I can’t think of a single occurrence of one attacking anyone….Great Danes, again, I can’t think of single occurrence of an attack involving one….

Terriers, I can recall some incidents.

I know it’s more to do with the specific dog but as said I do think some have it in them naturally.

The reason they don't work is the sort of people that want an aggressive dog will just breed something new or an existing breed will become popular with that type of person. There was a time when pitbulls were popular with that sort of person and they got banned. After the dangerous dogs act and the 4 banned breeds did dog attacks go down? No, they have risen but there have been less attacks from those particular breeds.

Just like the handgun ban stopped attacks with handguns by people who legally own them. Hasn't necessarily reduced attacks with handguns overall.

If you banned Tikka rifles tomorrow it would reduce the number of deer shot with a tikka but it would have little impact long term on deer being shot as stalker's would get hold of something else to shoot deer with.

Give it a couple of years and another dog breed will be popular with this sort of person and we'll be in the same situation.

 

[Klenchblaize]

Anyhow, not to worry as AI will sort it.

K

 

[potshotpat]

Who's Alan?

 

[gixer1]

The reason they don't work is the sort of people that want an aggressive dog will just breed something new or an existing breed will become popular with that type of person. There was a time when pitbulls were popular with that sort of person and they got banned. After the dangerous dogs act and the 4 banned breeds did dog attacks go down? No, they have risen but there have been less attacks from those particular breeds.

Just like the handgun ban stopped attacks with handguns by people who legally own them. Hasn't necessarily reduced attacks with handguns overall.

If you banned Tikka rifles tomorrow it would reduce the number of deer shot with a tikka but it would have little impact long term on deer being shot as stalker's would get hold of something else to shoot deer with.

Give it a couple of years and another dog breed will be popular with this sort of person and we'll be in the same situation.

A it does actually remove the issue of the breed in question…eventually they will run out of breeds to make aggressive dogs or the genes that contribute towards them.

 

[Wmjas]

One of the better journalistic pieces I read on this subject explained that due to the popularity of XL bully’s sky rocketing with people who couldn’t keep other “aggressive breeds”, a large portion of the dogs came from quite a small gene pool potentially with some inbreeding happening (this was suspected not confirmed). This has an obvious effect on the temperament of the pups if certain dogs and/or bitches have temperaments that are undesirable yet are getting bred anyway.

I don’t believe there is such a thing as an aggressive breed but there is definitely such a thing as bad breeding, bad ownership and stupidity. A Labrador will be aggressive if it is taught to and I know a person with a Rottweiler which is more placid than almost any other dog I’ve ever met. We should be sentencing and/or banning from ownership the person in charge of the dog rather than the breed as a whole but that would need enforcement from the police it’s so likely that’ll never happen…