Zeroing...

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Hi,
A fairly simple question.
I was zeroing a couple of rifles. My ground is completely private with no footpaths. I set my target up and I had taken a couple of shots. I made my adjustments to the scope and I was about to lie down to shoot again. I then saw a chap walking his dog along the hedge about 3-4 hundred yards from where I was. I shouted to draw his attention to me. He turned around and walked back from where he had come. I waited and after a few minutes I saw him on the far side of the field and out of my line of fire.

If god forbid he had been shot would I have been liable?
RS
 
Find the access points then place sign's saying shooting do not pass , but yes it would be clunk click off to the nick in any event
 
Hi,
A fairly simple question.
I was zeroing a couple of rifles. My ground is completely private with no footpaths. I set my target up and I had taken a couple of shots. I made my adjustments to the scope and I was about to lie down to shoot again. I then saw a chap walking his dog along the hedge about 3-4 hundred yards from where I was. I shouted to draw his attention to me. He turned around and walked back from where he had come. I waited and after a few minutes I saw him on the far side of the field and out of my line of fire.

If god forbid he had been shot would I have been liable?
RS
Not having a go but I would suggest you find some ground where you have a clear and safe backstop within reasonable range of your target, a hedge wouldn't qualify as a safe backstop.
 
The post was a question with a moral. “expect the unexpected!”
All - reasonable - risk assessments were done.
RS


On my DSC1 course the FC guy running the shooting phase failed to see people turn left instead of right and head our way...!!

Ask Paul O' as he was there, I pulled the bolt and shouted " STOP FIRING"

Old school rough shooters don't wear blinkers...Also I was shooting the 100 yard target off my sticks so heads up not laying down.

Tim.243
 
To be fair to rifle shot- we don’t know whether there was a mound of earth behind the hedge for arguments sake, also if it’s private land you can’t anticipate some nobber is going to walk out of no where he could easily of walked in front of your back stop!

As we all know we just need to keep our wits about us at all times.

But in answer to the OP it should never get to that stage!
 
Not having a go but I would suggest you find some ground where you have a clear and safe backstop within reasonable range of your target, a hedge wouldn't qualify as a safe backstop.


Interesting topic.

In an open field, I tend to use the raise of the land as a back stop. The field I choose has very soft soil and I have never had a ricochet. This is zeroing at 100 yards with .17 hmr, and there is approximately 500 yards beyond the target, all on an incline.
I'm not looking for an arse kicking, but it is not easy to find a suitable backstop, and for newer shooters, the only advice you can get is on forums such as this.

So, I'd be interested in what is considered to be a safe backstop.
 
Interesting topic.

In an open field, I tend to use the raise of the land as a back stop. The field I choose has very soft soil and I have never had a ricochet. This is zeroing at 100 yards with .17 hmr, and there is approximately 500 yards beyond the target, all on an incline.
I'm not looking for an arse kicking, but it is not easy to find a suitable backstop, and for newer shooters, the only advice you can get is on forums such as this.

So, I'd be interested in what is considered to be a safe backstop.

Earth is good.
 
Interesting topic.

In an open field, I tend to use the raise of the land as a back stop. The field I choose has very soft soil and I have never had a ricochet. This is zeroing at 100 yards with .17 hmr, and there is approximately 500 yards beyond the target, all on an incline.
I'm not looking for an arse kicking, but it is not easy to find a suitable backstop, and for newer shooters, the only advice you can get is on forums such as this.

So, I'd be interested in what is considered to be a safe backstop.

There is risk in every thing you do, some of it very small, some of it you have no control over...

The key is to consider what is beyond the target before you pull the trigger.....

From a person who uses quad sticks for nearly every shot the biggest risk is setting the rifle on to the sticks, as in most video example the muzzle of the rifle is pointing up in the air....

In this video example from min 1.12 and at 1.16 look where the barrel is pointing...



Tim.243
 
In this video example from min 1.12 and at 1.16 look where the barrel is pointing...

Not a great handling safety demonstration at all...Even though it is uncocked, the bolt is home and from 1:27 he has a finger on the trigger almost until 2:37 when the other guy takes over and immediately puts his finger straight onto the trigger....

Alan
 
Hi,
A fairly simple question.
I was zeroing a couple of rifles. My ground is completely private with no footpaths. I set my target up and I had taken a couple of shots. I made my adjustments to the scope and I was about to lie down to shoot again. I then saw a chap walking his dog along the hedge about 3-4 hundred yards from where I was. I shouted to draw his attention to me. He turned around and walked back from where he had come. I waited and after a few minutes I saw him on the far side of the field and out of my line of fire.

If god forbid he had been shot would I have been liable?
RS

Back stop?! If you can't stop it why would you send it?
 
Interesting topic.

In an open field, I tend to use the raise of the land as a back stop. The field I choose has very soft soil and I have never had a ricochet. This is zeroing at 100 yards with .17 hmr, and there is approximately 500 yards beyond the target, all on an incline.
I'm not looking for an arse kicking, but it is not easy to find a suitable backstop, and for newer shooters, the only advice you can get is on forums such as this.

So, I'd be interested in what is considered to be a safe backstop.
From my experience the safest backstop is sand, not what you find as the norm in the field. Don't be fooled into believing that soft soil has no risk of ricochet as there will almost certainly be stones present and I have seen tracer rounds of .308 ricochet 90 degrees after being fired into a vertical soil embankment, that was a real eye opener. As others have said if you fire the shot you are responsible for where the bullet ends up.
 
Interesting topic.

In an open field, I tend to use the raise of the land as a back stop. The field I choose has very soft soil and I have never had a ricochet. This is zeroing at 100 yards with .17 hmr, and there is approximately 500 yards beyond the target, all on an incline.
I'm not looking for an arse kicking, but it is not easy to find a suitable backstop, and for newer shooters, the only advice you can get is on forums such as this.

So, I'd be interested in what is considered to be a safe backstop.

A safe backstop is something that you know (as much as is humanly possible as odd things can happen with the best of intentions) will stop the bullet you are firing.

Tim is right though, there is always a risk when you send lead across the landscape at silly speeds. The trick is to control as much as you can all of the time. Do not shoot in to a hedge for example even if you know K2 is behind it. The mountain might stop the bullet but only after it has gone through the drunk moron who decided to have a kip behind a hedge.

Shooting in to an incline can seem like a good idea and depending on the incline, could well be a sound decision. But it also depends at what height you are firing from. If you are below the level of where the incline starts, be honest with yourself and think how shallow the angle actually is from the muzzle of your rifle to point at which you intend it to impact the earth. What seems like a safe incline could actually act as a ramp for a nice little ricochet.

Ground condition is important too. Is it the middle of a mild winter with nice soggy ground that will swallow a bullet or is it late summer after 4 weeks drought and baked hard ground. I am not saying the ground will win the battle with a bullet but a piece of lead is more likely to bounce of something hard than bore in to it. That doesn't mean it cannot ricochet off wet ground.

Real safe shots are shooting in a valley from an elevated position in to a far bank. Or shooting a fox under a high seat ha ha.

I am obviously playing devils advocate with you but it is worth thinking about plenty. The more you shoot, the more you consider the consequences as everyone who has shot a good deal has had bullets behave in a way that were outside of their expectations.

Our land is very very hilly, so plenty of safe shots but actually, there are tons of unsafe shots. One particular example sticks out (normally because there is a tidy munty or raggy crow sat there) where it is what many would consider a safe shot in to a hill that inclines but directly behind the shot is a village about 600yds away. I would shoot a frangible HMR bullet into that hill but I can never bring myself to let a heavy CF round go. I bet you could fire 999 safe shots out of a 1000 at that incline but I know it is not steep enough to be absolutely safe. I have mates who would look at it and say "bollocks, that is completely fine" They are not the ones pulling the trigger though. If I was in a high seat or elevated, I would take it.

If in doubt, don't shoot. You cannot stop it once its gone.

The other thing to consider is your actually position you shoot from. Shooting off sticks does increase that angle of attack whereas shooting off the ground from a pack or bipod puts you lower and shallows out the angle of the bullet. They are small margins but can make all the difference.
 
From my experience the safest backstop is sand, not what you find as the norm in the field. Don't be fooled into believing that soft soil has no risk of ricochet as there will almost certainly be stones present and I have seen tracer rounds of .308 ricochet 90 degrees after being fired into a vertical soil embankment, that was a real eye opener. As others have said if you fire the shot you are responsible for where the bullet ends up.

Yep, I recall shooting a .222 round heavily downhill close to 45 degress into very wet soil and getting the mother of all ricochets. Huge amounts of open land behind it which made me feel slightly better but a horrible feeling. God knows what it hit but it certainly was not just soil.
 
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