C.J
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Based on my experience with the XD19S 250yds is far enough to identify a Fox/Badger sized target.However it was working much better than IR equipment in the fog last night.
Pulsar Apex Thermal Scopes
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Based on my experience with the XD19S 250yds is far enough to identify a Fox/Badger sized target.However it was working much better than IR equipment in the fog last night.
I have an Apex XD75 and a Quantum XD50S and they are superb bits of kit. There have been some really good points re why buying the XD75 is the preferred option with zoom and click values. The one thing I would say is that unless you've actually looked through one, you won't really know how good they are. The footage online does not do it justice at all as the attached recorders compress and ruin the image. Looking through the scope itself is a world apart.
I don't have an issue with identification. It's not always about what the proposed target looks like but how it moves, mannerisms etc. With thermal you have the time to observe as they just don't know you're there if your other field craft is right. I've identified cats and dogs on my thermal when out foxing and have no concerns re identification before shooting, just takes a bit of practice and experience.
I have had a look through one of the new XQ19 handhelds too this year and if you're not worried about being able to pick stuff up at 1000yds, it's more than adequate for most hunters. The picture clarity is excellent and realistic detection ranges will certainly tell you what's out there at ranges beyond what most people would shoot at night.
I don't have an issue with identification. It's not always about what the proposed target looks like but how it moves, mannerisms etc. With thermal you have the time to observe as they just don't know you're there if your other field craft is right. I've identified cats and dogs on my thermal when out foxing and have no concerns re identification before shooting, just takes a bit of practice and experience.
I have had a look through one of the new XQ19 handhelds too this year and if you're not worried about being able to pick stuff up at 1000yds, it's more than adequate for most hunters. The picture clarity is excellent and realistic detection ranges will certainly tell you what's out there at ranges beyond what most people would shoot at night.
SussexFallow
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I was out with Clive demoing his wt1 75-3 last night and all I can say is that it is a seriously impressive piece of kit. It blows my new xq38 out of the water for clarity.
bewsher500
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Set my Apex 75 up last night. 1 shot into a 2ftsq board at 100yards, tweeked x&y next 2 shots bang on. Then out for real and 2 hours later 7 Charlie in the bag.
Shots taken between 70 and 160 yards, no misses and no problem with identification.
Truly and amazing peice of kit, highly recommended.
Shots taken between 70 and 160 yards, no misses and no problem with identification.
Truly and amazing peice of kit, highly recommended.
They're supposed to be really good, lot better than the pulsars. I keep putting off buying one though. Got the spotter and that's excellent.
Rupe, sorry I missed your call, I'll try calling back tomorrow . Glad your liking the Apex XD75 its a great rifle scope, I'm missing it now, seriously, it makes it so easy in the stubbles compared to nightvision.
Hi,
I´ve been researching for a few months in order to change from NV to Thermal. It´s very interesting to read all the information, experiences and advise you give. I didn´t know about this brand (wt) and its devices. You all say very good things about them but I looked for videos and their quality is far from impressive. Kind of strange since their specifications are great. The brand I like the most is Armasight (I own two of their NV monoculars and couldn´t be happier), but they don´t export thermal scopes outside of the US, so I was thinking about buying a Pulsar Apex (I thought it was the best for the money). The problem is they don´t have a 640 or HD version, and as someone said, some things can be improved (the 25 micron core). Now that I´ve seen the new Quantum XQ, I know they can do better, so I don´t know if I should wait for a newer version since I can shoot at 200 metres easily with my Armasight CO-X HDi. You wouldn´t happen to know if Pulsar is planning to make a new Apex, would you?
I´ve been researching for a few months in order to change from NV to Thermal. It´s very interesting to read all the information, experiences and advise you give. I didn´t know about this brand (wt) and its devices. You all say very good things about them but I looked for videos and their quality is far from impressive. Kind of strange since their specifications are great. The brand I like the most is Armasight (I own two of their NV monoculars and couldn´t be happier), but they don´t export thermal scopes outside of the US, so I was thinking about buying a Pulsar Apex (I thought it was the best for the money). The problem is they don´t have a 640 or HD version, and as someone said, some things can be improved (the 25 micron core). Now that I´ve seen the new Quantum XQ, I know they can do better, so I don´t know if I should wait for a newer version since I can shoot at 200 metres easily with my Armasight CO-X HDi. You wouldn´t happen to know if Pulsar is planning to make a new Apex, would you?
I have no doubt that Pulsar will soon start selling thermal riflescopes with a 17 micron sensor - but it will be 384x288 and not 640x480.
I don't know why you say that the quality of the WT series of thermal riflescopes is far from impressive. Clive Ward gives a warranty of 3 years with them, and that's at least as good , if not better than the Pulsars.
I have a 75 mm 640x480 17 micron thermal riflescope (same as the WT75-6) which I purchased directly from the manufacturer in China around one year ago and it has fantastic performance, has been absolutely reliable and I would thoroughly recommend it to anyone looking to purchase a thermal riflescope - it's simply in a different league from the current Pulsar Apex thermal riflescopes
ATN are now selling high refresh rate 640x480 core thermal riflescopes in the UK (and therefore Europe) and they can do this because the scopes are built in China and imported directly into Europe without touching US soil therefore not contravening the ITAR regulations.
However, ATN do not have a great reputation in the UK after the hype and subsequent poor performance of the X Sight digital riflescope.
Cheers
Bruce
I don't know why you say that the quality of the WT series of thermal riflescopes is far from impressive. Clive Ward gives a warranty of 3 years with them, and that's at least as good , if not better than the Pulsars.
I have a 75 mm 640x480 17 micron thermal riflescope (same as the WT75-6) which I purchased directly from the manufacturer in China around one year ago and it has fantastic performance, has been absolutely reliable and I would thoroughly recommend it to anyone looking to purchase a thermal riflescope - it's simply in a different league from the current Pulsar Apex thermal riflescopes
ATN are now selling high refresh rate 640x480 core thermal riflescopes in the UK (and therefore Europe) and they can do this because the scopes are built in China and imported directly into Europe without touching US soil therefore not contravening the ITAR regulations.
However, ATN do not have a great reputation in the UK after the hype and subsequent poor performance of the X Sight digital riflescope.
Cheers
Bruce
How feasible is it to use a thermal scope as a spotter ? I'm about to buy a thermal spotter for deer and boar both in woodland and fields. Most of the time it will be a spotter but to be able to fit it to my pig rifle would be really handy. My concerns would be field of view and size of the scope. Would this be too much of a compromise ? What do you guys think ?
bewsher500
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its not ideal granted
field of view is smaller than a spotter and the unit is obviously bigger
for me personally I would want the same tech on spotter and sight
otherwise why use one and not the other?
I use a NV spotter and a scope mounted lamp
I lose a lot of chance through the transition from one to the other
the idea behind using the sight as a spotter and a truly QR mount system reduced that
it worked but in the end I am just not using it enough to justify the price tag
Pulsar Apex Core FXD50 http://www.scottcountry.co.uk/products-Pulsar-Core-FXD50-Front-Mounted-Thermal-Add-On-6022.htm
It's a hand held spotter which also fits onto the front of a standard riflescope to become a thermal riflescope.
As is usual with these "it does everything" type devices it does work, but doesn't perform as well as a separate thermal spotter or thermal riflescope.
Cheers
Bruce
It's a hand held spotter which also fits onto the front of a standard riflescope to become a thermal riflescope.
As is usual with these "it does everything" type devices it does work, but doesn't perform as well as a separate thermal spotter or thermal riflescope.
Cheers
Bruce
Thank you for your answer.
Sorry if I didn´t convey my thoughts properly, English is not my mother tongue. I don´t doubt you when you say that the WT1 thermal scopes are great, but the only way I have to check that is through videos on the internet, which quality is not very good, in fact, is quite terrible. Would you be so kind as to tell me where I can see the WT1 in action? I would really thank you.
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