Which stalking Trousers...Swedteam Ultralights? Others?

Agreed up to a point. Whilst some people are prepared to pay £200 to £300 for a pair of trousers, companies will continue to sell them at high mark ups. Everyone has to make a profit, but I can't see why I need to pay over £200 for a good pair of trousers. Looking around, there's the Swedteam Ultralights, the Deerhunter Recon Deer-X-Dura,and Seeland Frontier and Wood cock trousers all well below £200 and all probably durable enough to do the job.

It's getting feedback on some like those that would be helpful as I'm sure that there must be plenty on here that have experience of them, and you can't really beat feedback from the field.


Edit: I took your advice Norma 308: Checked out some fleabay offers on Fjallraven and there's a fair few well within budget. If you've experience of these, is the G1000 material that they use (a sort of treated poly-cotton?) water proof or will it more withstand the odd rain shower but not stand up to persistent damp conditions in long vegetation? It's often a difficult balance between water proofing and breathability, but I'm after something that will stand up to keeping you dry when having to crawl for example in damp or wet grass.
The moment you add Gore-Tex to something they have to pay a nice licence fee to the big guy and the price bumps significantly.
This is why the proprietary stuff is cheaper.

Laksen are pretty good at the price, range of fabrics from soft 'n quiet to more robust but noisier.

I have a Swedteam Ultralight smock, so far so good...
 
I do mostly hill stalking in Argyll and after trying a few different brands I settled on Ridgeline "Roar" trousers. They are not Gortex and although it is claimed that they are Waterproof they arent in the same league as Gortex or one or two others.
I found the problem with heavy expensive waterproof trousers was when stalking over rough hilly ground especially over a good length of time, I became far too hot and uncomfortable, and became wetter with sweat than rain so I needed something much lighter but with a fair degree of durabilty and waterproofing.
I've had them for almost four years now and apart from a small tear under the crotch during an unequel argument with a barbed wire fence, they are still going strong. They are light, durable, cheapish at about £60 and are waterproof enough for me to be happy with them !
These are the trousers with the internal zips in the leg that allow you to adjust the leg length to suit your own internal leg measurement..brilliant idea for a short arse like me !
 
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I've found the same hence given up on heavyweight trousers as most claiming breathability just don't seem to be up to active stalks over hilly terrain. The Swedteam Ultralights appealed for this reason (ie lightweight and reports from users seem pretty good regarding durability) but went with the recon trousers as having used the jacket for a while now, it's surprisingly adept to keeping you cool enough when the temperature is still relatively warm due to being quite breathable, and I'll just layer up if the weather does turn cold. If the trousers are as good, I'll be happy enough. We'll see. I'd have picked the lighter, cheaper Swedteams had they been reinforced at knees and backside.
 
Have the harkila pro hunter. Just used it last week for two weeks in the hills.
For summer its a bit to warm and I have the harkila stealth trousers.
Only time it became moist on the inside was during a shower of half an hour in which I almost was able to swim upwards.
 
Pro-hunters may well be good but are just too expensive for my tastes. I'd rather put the money saved by going the Deerhunter route into a stalk. I think for summer I'd just carry on using milsurp, and use the Deerhunters for the rest of the year. Was out in relatively balmy 14 degrees yesterday with the recon jacket and it was fine with just a teeshirt underneath...not too hot at all. Breathability seems excellent, so if the trousers are half as good, I'll be pleased. Also managed to stalk through brambles without damage to the jacket. It's tougher than the older Ram models.
 
Harkila attle trousers, lighter shade of green than the pro hunters, not as many pockets, great for walking all day! that good, im going to order another pair!
 
For those following the thread that might have thought about the recon trousers...not recommended. Whilst the jacket is excellent, having received the matching trousers, I can't recommend them for stalking. I shall be changing them to probably of the other pairs recommended on this thread. Way too noisy in use, too tight a fit on the upper leg, and whilst zipped for boots, they haven't adjusted the leg length accordingly. Leg length I think ought to be an inch or two shorter than normal trousers to account for boot wear otherwise they just crease up too much.....that or you need to be a lot taller than I am!
 
Harkila attle trousers, lighter shade of green than the pro hunters, not as many pockets, great for walking all day! that good, im going to order another pair!


They won't be on my shopping list, not at £300 a pair!!!
 
Recon trousers returned. Took a look at some Fjallraven Vidda pro trousers today. Very impressed. Tough, well cut, loads of pockets including a handy knife pocket and seem pretty quiet in use. Pair ordered, job done.
 
Any update for us on the Fjallrave Vidda trousers?

I've been wearing them in all weathers for a while now and am generally very pleased with them. The good:

  • breathable;
  • tough...I've pushed through dense undergrowth including brambles and they just shrug it off without any damage, unlike my deerstalkers which rip at the first sign of anything sharper than a dandelion;
  • practical...nice little touches like boot-lace hooks and adjustable hems so even if your leg length is shorter than the standard 32/33 inch fixed leg, you can have them pulled in and strapped to boot-laces. Great pockets;
  • relatively rain-resistant. I wouldn't call them waterproof but the double reinforcement at back-side and knees has never let water or dampness through despite kneeling in the wet and sitting on damp logs etc.;
  • not too noisy;
  • windproof if waxed;
  • surprisingly warm enough even sub-zero;
  • no sweaty gonads!

The not so good:

  • As above, not 100%water resistant but do dry quickly and don't cling to the skin so you never feel chilled;
  • waxing them is a PITA
  • Expensive (relatively) for what they are.

They come without a lot of wax impregnation and the more they're waxed, the more waterproof they become. It also enhances durability and helps protect the (double) stitching. From what I have seen, they are a massive step up from anything I've seen from the likes of the new Seeland range in build quality.

To wax them you have to buy a block of Greenland wax (a fiver) which resembles a bar of soap. It's a mix of paraffin and beeswax. You gently rub it in all over which takes a good hour or so to get an even coverage, then stand back and admire how your trousers now resemble a dribbly candle, all streaked white. I then take a heat gun with a flat diffuser on the end, set to a temperature that wont melt the polycotton (ie hot but not so hot you'll burn yourself if you direct the heat to the back of your hand). It takes about 55 degrees to properly melt the wax, but I've found a little hotter is better. The wax magically melts and gets soaked into the trousers.

It's at this stage that the cult Aardman Animations film "The Wrong Trousers" springs to mind as initially they feel as stiff as frozen cardboard, but a short time later, they soften up and bed in. I usually then remelt the wax as it seems to take a few attempts to get an even streak-free melt. Once done a few times, it really helps wind proof them but they do retain enough to improve water repellancy to an impressive degree. I've so far waxed them twice, and they could do with 3 or 4 treatments for regular wet weather just to ensure a really even all over coating which is difficult at a first attempt.

All in all, they feel like they'll last years and they're certainly tough enough to go the distance. I like the olive green and black. Understated and drab. I've done a gralloch in them and they sponged off well afterwards. They also have a natty knife pocket which is where my scabbard goes.

What would they have over Harkila? Well, for less than half the price of Harkila's entry level fare, I reckon they'd be as long term durable, and more breathable so ideal for hill stalks and genuine all year round use. They won't be as warm or as waterproof as Harkilas better range such as their "Pro" trousers, so high seat users may wish to look elsewhere in the colder weather.
 
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Jack Pyke works for me, or clearance Deerhunter stuff that fits. Fishing clothing is also often just as functional, can be just as quiet and sometimes much cheaper. You pays your money and take your choice. I must admit I can't fault milsurp - boots, waterproof socks, pouches and gortex for when its really coming down. Just try not to visit the supermarket on the way - or the way back.
 
Err, thanks for the suggestions folks, sincerely, but if you read back just a little, you'll see I'm sorted and bought the Fjallravens some time back hence the mini-review on post #33 ;).
 
Good review and I'd agree with you the points you've made.

I've been using the Vidda Pros for some time now but only wax the doubled cloth areas at the knees and seat, which I find sufficient for most stalking situations. If it's really bucketing down or very cold I break out their Barents Pro Hydratic trousers, which are similar in style and fit but have a waterproof membrane in them.
 
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