BASC says don’t pay medical fee

[sauer]

Now here's a thought ......
What if we could get
BASC NGO SACS SGA & any others to actually get together & fight this together on a United front ,
After all if the BMA & police are now all making it up as they go along ?!
Surely if we should be made to jump thru hoops & abide by letter of the law then so should others including the folk who implement it !

Paul

 

[Orion]

Surely if we should be made to jump thru hoops & abide by letter of the law then so should others including the folk who implement it !

This will go some way towards that (page 128 of the .pdf): http://www.parliament.uk/documents/...ared-bills/Policing-and-Crime-bill-160414.pdf

107 Guidance to police officers in respect of firearms
(1) The Firearms Act 1968 is amended as follows.
(2) After section 55 insert—
“55A Guidance as to exercise of police functions
(1) The Secretary of State may issue guidance to chief officers of police as
to the exercise of their functions under, or in connection with, this Act.
(2) The Secretary of State may revise any guidance issued under this
section.
(3) The Secretary of State must arrange for any guidance issued under this
section, and any revision of it, to be published.
(4) A chief officer of police must have regard to any guidance issued under
this section.
(5) Before issuing guidance under this section, the Secretary of State must
consult—
(a) the National Police Chiefs’ Council, and
(b) the chief constable of the Police Service of Scotland.”

 

[Greymaster]

This will go some way towards that (page 128 of the .pdf): http://www.parliament.uk/documents/...ared-bills/Policing-and-Crime-bill-160414.pdf

107 Guidance to police officers in respect of firearms
(1) The Firearms Act 1968 is amended as follows.
(2) After section 55 insert—
“55A Guidance as to exercise of police functions
(1) The Secretary of State may issue guidance to chief officers of police as
to the exercise of their functions under, or in connection with, this Act.
(2) The Secretary of State may revise any guidance issued under this
section.
(3) The Secretary of State must arrange for any guidance issued under this
section, and any revision of it, to be published.
(4) A chief officer of police must have regard to any guidance issued under
this section.
(5) Before issuing guidance under this section, the Secretary of State must
consult—
(a) the National Police Chiefs’ Council, and
(b) the chief constable of the Police Service of Scotland.”

Of course there is no need for a "(5) (c) Shooters and shooters organisations" because as we know, BASC is "fully engaged".

If this shambles is the result of a fully engaged shooter's organisation, then they must accept their part in the responsibility for it, and finally admit is not "a win for shooters".

 

[David63]

I am dismayed that when the BMA etc go back on their agreement,or others fail to follow the HO guidance some on here choose to blame BASC, I guess it's easier than laying the blame where it should rest.
Never the less we will carry on doing all we can to sort this out, a thankless task as far as some of you are concerned, but was it ever thus.
No more from me now until I have more news, which will of course be on the web site.
Have fun having a dig at BASC,

 

[Miki]

I am dismayed that when the BMA etc go back on their agreement,or others fail to follow the HO guidance some on here choose to blame BASC, I guess it's easier than laying the blame where it should rest.
Never the less we will carry on doing all we can to sort this out, a thankless task as far as some of you are concerned, but was it ever thus.
No more from me now until I have more news, which will of course be on the web site.
Have fun having a dig at BASC,

No one is having a dig, it's far more serious that that, these are your customers (prospective and current) exhibiting their dismay and displeasure and letting you know how they feel.

Please don't run away and hide under your comfort blanket.
You say "laying the blame where it should rest". Where is that David ???

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[sauer]

Additionally
The stance given is still
" dont pay it" even after goalposts have changed
( not your fault )
But still advising folk to walk into crap storm

Paul

 

[slider]

Now here's a thought ......
What if we could get
BASC NGO SACS SGA & any others to actually get together & fight this together on a United front ,
After all if the BMA & police are now all making it up as they go along ?!
Surely if we should be made to jump thru hoops & abide by letter of the law then so should others including the folk who implement it !

Paul

Eh, is that not what they do under the banner of the British Shooting Sports Council?

 

[kes]

I'm sorry but this is a failure, plain and simple - yes anyone can bash BASC, but its because they have a suspended CE an acting CE currently who is 'under investigation' and we are not allowed, 'for the sake of shooting', to ask for details. As for the BSSC its a convenience I have not heard of anything worthwhile done by BSSC. I may be a lonely voice but if BASC membership is rising then its down to insurance, nothing less, if you had to choose a shooting org it wouldn't be BASC atm.
David, I understand your position BASC is not currently what it should be for those its meant to represent.
Its time BASC got its house in order, I for one, would appreciate it.

 

[sauer]

Eh, is that not what they do under the banner of the British Shooting Sports Council?

Well if it is ,
They aren't exactly advertising it !
Never hear of them

My point is. I would like to hear more from our organizations on what they are doing .... we need a louder voice

& I certainly didn't know they worked together under that banner of British shooting sports council

Our rights are slowly being eroded awsy & we need to get more on the front foot

Paul

 

[Miki]

Interestingly and as others have pointed out the fees for SGC/FAC are set by Westminster and Police Scotland are already engaged in trying to increase the fee they can charge a licence holder. In Dec 2014 the Police stated that it costs £158 to issue a licence and that the difference in fee charged - v - actual cost is subsidised by the Scottish tax payer.

There are around 52,000 licences granted in Scotland. If we take £80 as an average fee this means the division gets an income of 4.16Million which is roughly half the 8.22Million they say it costs (52000 x 158)

There are 5 Million people in Scotland
1 Million pay tax and roughly half that number work for local and national Govenment. So there is an argument that it is somewhat unfair to burden every tax payer in Scotland with a £8 bill/5 years when only 10% are shooters. Or should it be said that currently every tax payer in Scotland is paying £1.64 a year (3p a week) to ensure that there are satifactory controls in place to govern the number of licenced weapon holders in Scotland.

It starts to get a bit complex here but the SNP/Scottish Government managed to get an Air Weapons Licensing law passed in Scotland and gave the responsibilty of administering this to Police Scotland who, at the same time, are having their budgets slashed. The result is that those at Police Scotland Firearms now have to do more work for less income.

As they already have to manage a loss making enterprise (I know it's not a business as such, but bear with me) then the Police need to find a way of reducing costs.
They can't charge us £158 for a SGC/FAC Licence as Westminster set the fees.... at the moment.

Why then (if your business is losing money) would you want to add an additional layer of paperwork/administration (ie the Doctors tick form) to satisfy a law that hasn't changed since 1968 ??
The question as to why the Police are forcing us pay for something we didn't ask for, and isn't required by law, is I guess the question.....

 

[mr baddoo]

Can a a&e doctor fill out the form if you give her/ him access to your medical records

 

[ferretmanabu]

No

 

[mr baddoo]

Why

 

[TreeWorks]

Why

Because he/she isn't your GP and can't put a marker on your records.

 

[Pedro]

NHS records and the records kept by your GP's surgery are separate, although of course any treatment you have should result in a letter to your GP, don't rely on that. Certainly where I live, my GP notes are computerised, but hospital notes consist of paper. Crazy but true.

 

[rodkayak]

I rang my licensing police in Wales today and they said they were waiting for directions about no medical report/ no license as per Scottish position. The jury seems to be out but fac holders may have to pay their gps. At the moment they will still process reports but at a slower rate if there is no report back from the GP

 

[Miki]

I have just had a letter from my Medical practice asking for £50 to process the request from the police to know if they have any medical concerns over my ability to have a FAC and to tag my file.
I shall not be paying, ..... snip Ian

How did you get on with this ??

 

[Miki]

I rang my licensing police in Wales today and they said they were waiting for directions about no medical report/ no license as per Scottish position. The jury seems to be out but fac holders may have to pay their gps. At the moment they will still process reports but at a slower rate if there is no report back from the GP

Could you (all) wite to your Cheif Constable and ask that very question ??

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[sikastag270]

my gp practice has said no against shooting so gets my medical records 10 pounds having to go to a private doctor 115 pounds most people i know using the same private doctor surely this cant be right

 

[8x57]

my gp practice has said no against shooting so gets my medical records 10 pounds having to go to a private doctor 115 pounds most people i know using the same private doctor surely this cant be right

Can you elaborate please. The lack of punctuation also makes your post slightly difficult to comprehend.

Are you saying that your GP practice is opposed to shooting and has not responded to a police enquiry? Also that you have had to go to another doctor, not your GP so you are unknown to him/her and that you have then paid them £115 for a medical certificate?