Abomasum Obstruction

[Scarlet]

Not all are and your remarks make you sound very common and sounding like a proper .... another armchair expert , i bid you adieu,,,

And but they are Marksboy.. After reading intently through my profile "and" my posts you`ve finally plucked up the courage to post a reply.
And what a feeble one it is too, it must of put the fear of god into you. Soz

 

[exmarksman9870]

And but they are Marksboy.. After reading intently through my profile "and" my posts you`ve finally plucked up the courage to post a reply.
And what a feeble one it is too, it must of put the fear of god into you. Soz

Haha you sound a propa tool... im astonished how some people can even get there hands on firearms...

 

[Scarlet]

Listen chap you`ve tried your very best to offend me by calling me an arm chair expert.. And it hasn't worked.
I`ve offended you with out even trying
Now if you have no constructive content to add to this Abomasum Obstruction subject then i suggest that you end your nonsense unrelated responses.
Good luck on the range

 

[bogtrotter]

They seem to be fairly common in Fallow, have never found them in Red deer, though no doubt someone will be along shortly who has.

 

[Scarlet]

Thank you Trotter for getting the subject back on track.

 

[awmc]

Just thought I`d share this with the genuine Deer Stalkers that use our forum. Only I doubt that any of the long range boys and other messers that are members will be slightly interested in this at all?
Any way to cut a long story short I dispatched a middle aged Fallow Doe as part of my cull quota last week.
After I`d dragged it back onto my ground i then proceeded with a gralloch and inspection of the carcass.
In a very short time I noticed that in the abomasum area of the stomach there was a reasonably large unconnected obstruction. Which I inspected and put to one side.
Its the first time I have seen an obstruction like this in that area of any species of Deer.
Im undecided as to what the make up or content of this solid hard stone like shape is?
But it appears to be that its made up of minute particles of bone?

Thanks Vim
Very informative and though I've seen Fallow Bucks with all manner of plastic twine and tape wrapped around their antler, I haven't found anything like this. Didn't expect to laugh so much either. Think it started when I read you had to drag the middle aged Doe back on to your ground and then got monkey spammer and the other fella's names wrong
Cheers - I'll look out for it

 

[Scarlet]

Im surprised amwc that you were the only one that has noticed I had to drag it back from over the border?
Mind thinking about it probably loads did notice but they were too frit to mention and raise the subject
If were truthful we`ll all do it from time to time even our Spammer

 

[Monkey Spanker]

Im surprised amwc that you were the only one that has noticed I had to drag it back from over the border?
Mind thinking about it probably loads did notice but they were too frit to mention and raise the subject
If were truthful we`ll all do it from time to time even our Spammer

Can't say I have too often really. I always speak to neighbours as soon as I get a piece of new ground and discuss this through. First time I did it was where another farmer owned the wood around a 80 Hectare wood that I manage. Unlikely that they would run out of the wood, but worth checking anyway. As it turned out, he was very receptive and asked me to manage his farm (about 500 acres) as well which I still do!
The only ones that spring to mind are a couple of Roe which ran into an FC block where we had prior agreement to retrieve and vie-versa for them.
If a deer is on the boundary or near a road, I either leave them or take a shot placement where they will not run. It is difficult to shoot near a boundary without sending a bullet over the boundary which is clearly illegal unless you have permission.
I manage one estate in the Midlands where one neighbour is very clear that nobody is to cross the boundary under any circumstances! A previous unintentional 'border incursion' had occurred before my time. There is no real need to shoot there though as the estate is about 11,500 acres, although ironically that is actually where most of the deer are!
Following up deer that have run, and humane dispatch on land where you do not have permission is another can of worms, as there is an exemption which is probably the biggest 'grey area' ever! (Yes, even bigger than the 'Estate Rifle Exemption' !!)
Access and ownership
Access to land
[s.1 Deer Act]. Without the
consent of the landowner, occupier or other lawful
authority(e.g. the holder of deer rights on land), it is
an offence to:
Enter any land in search or pursuit of any deer
with intent to take, kill or injure it;
While on any land to attempt to or to kill or
injure any deer, to search for or to pursue deer
with such intent;
To remove the carcass of any deer.
♦
♦
♦
It is therefore advisable to carry written permission
as proof of your right to be on the land.
Exemptions
An offence is not committed if the
perpetrator did so in the belief that he would have
been given consent if the owner or occupier knew
of his doing it and the circumstances, or he has other
lawful authority.
So....
as long as you believe that the landowner wouldn't mind, it's fine!

I've shot hundreds of RTA deer on behalf of the police and RSPCA and freely admit that I have done so on private land where I did not have permission, ie, just off the road generally, although up to about 100m on occasion. I'd like to think that any landowner would respect what I do, and any court would support my action, but at the end of the day, a landowner could prosecute me for my action. It's a risk I am prepared to take for the welfare of deer, and half the time, the police or landowners don't even know what I've been up to anyway as they don't even attend! I am fully insured as well.
So, that's the lid off another can of worms that the anti Monkey Spanker brigade can dig into!
Happy to discuss further as always!
MS

 

[berg]

We have found similar thing in fallow at rendlesham on a regular basis there like rock build up of lime or calcium

 

[Scarlet]

I always seem to have the ability to bring the best out in people and you are no exception Monkey spammer
A well thought out and informative post for those that frequent those grey area`s of our countryside.
It hasn't been too long ago since I had a visit from plod and his mate plonk after dispatching a stag on private land.
Which so happened to be over looked by a number of house`s and very close proximity to a busy road.
I explained to them the circumstances of the event and then politely told them to feck off which they did..
Now before our Spammer leads us down a different path...
Our Berg finds these on a regular basis which kind of interests me more than the do`s and don`ts of extracting deer off some one else`s bit..

 

[Monkey Spanker]

Well, I did a little research...

it would appear that they were once very prized as they had magical healing powers!
Madstones, also known as bezoar stones or enteroliths, resemble rocks but are actually concretions of mineral salts combined with hair and fibers. Most are smooth and rounded, ranging from marble-sized to as big as an orange. They occasionally are found in the stomachs of cattle, horses, goats, llamas, camels and even elephants. But those who believed in the curative powers of madstones thought the most powerful stones came from the stomachs of deer, especially white deer. No stone out of a cow could have the virtue of one out of a deer. The deer containing a madstone was not always white, but whiteness in a carrier gave the stone more drawing power.
Madstones form from calcium deposits, very similar to the way an oyster forms a pearl. Calcium clings to some foreign material such as hair, then more calcium is added in layers. Yours clearly found the orange knot rope an ideal nucleus on which to form. Cut through a madstone’s middle, and you’ll find concentric rings like rings in a tree. It would appear to be more common in areas where there is more calcium in the soil.

Even today though, they are highly prized and collectable, so whatever you do, don't damage it in any way!
Looks like you might have just cut £17,000 in half and made it worthless!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-448884/Mammoth-meteorite-bezoar-sale-Christies-auction.html
OOOOooopppps!
MS

 

[Scarlet]

I think you`ll find Monkey Spammer that our Stu in post #2 posted a link to all that type information..
You must have it bad because its unlike you to double post or copy information from other`s?
I can also see right through your fiendish plan to attempt to plant a fictitious financial loss into my head though
I clearly know what my find was worth and it wasn't measured in pounds or pence..
It was made up of the same content as your head. Which in short is best described as compressed crap .lol.
Anyway a lucky find.. I recall an old Gypsy saying to me your better to be born lucky than to be born rich..

 

[Monkey Spanker]

I think you`ll find Monkey Spammer that our Stu in post #2 posted a link to all that type information..
You must have it bad because its unlike you to double post or copy information from other`s?
I can also see right through your fiendish plan to attempt to plant a fictitious financial loss into my head though
I clearly know what my find was worth and it wasn't measured in pounds or pence..
It was made up of the same content as your head. Which in short is best described as compressed crap .lol.
Anyway a lucky find.. I recall an old Gypsy saying to me your better to be born lucky than to be born rich..

So........Let's put this into perspective?
You were fortunate enough to find 'The Holy Grail' of deer stalking which is possibly worth thousands of pounds, and you chose to saw it in half, but it's me that has a head full of compressed crap?

You clearly know what it is worth NOW, but you clearly didn't back then despite Stu giving you an inkling with his post.
Well, you've got two now, but I doubt they will be worth twice as much!

I reckon there's a few folk on here that you've poured your self-righteous scorn on recently that are pi55ing themselves right now! Especially the 'long range boys'.
Well you may be in luck as I've got about half a tube of superglue that I can send you and some 'T-Cut' so you can hopefully 'buff out' the join.
I'll give you 50p for that golf ball as well. I don't play golf, but I'm feeling sad about your financial loss right now.
Money can't buy you happiness, but it can buy you a better class of misery!
Stay lucky!
MS

 

[Scarlet]

The Boss calling it the "Holy Grail"? Kind of makes me feel elated and superior than some of the self proclaimed experts we have on here
Monkey Spammer I`m sure you`ve noticed by now that i was born Lucky

 

[jubnut]

So, the deer that had this bezoar stone? Was it shot off twin or quad sticks?

Which are better?

 

[Scarlet]

Come on nutty your just trying to stir up trouble. I may as well end the speculation right here and now. I can confirm it was shot off proper sticks that traditional stalkers use and not those pussy things that messer`s and beginners use..

 

[exmarksman9870]

Harlet just admit it..your a bafoon... you try to insult people and think your superior ..coming back with imature little replys of how you scared people off after they look at your profile and posts... get a grip of your life your nothing of importace and many members on here aggre with me as there private msgs prove.... just because you cut in half something of great value and intrest even to the "long range boys" but if you had asked we could have told you what that was...never mind better luck next time.. now que your fanatastic reply stating how im an arse and your so amazing and i just shoot on ranges and your so amazing how im just a spammer and your so amazing...i dont know what it is with people like you...is it envy that turns to pure jealousy and hatred ? Do us all a great favor and just delete your profile and troll some place else....with love marksyboy x p.s i wont be looking for your ******** reply..

 

[windygun]

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[Scarlet]

i dont know what it is with people like you...is it envy that turns to pure jealousy and hatred ? Do us all a great favor and just delete your profile and troll some place else....with love marksyboy x p.s i wont be looking for your ******** reply..

And i think you`ve caught what Monkey Spammer`s got marksyboy And your distinctly displaying some of what you describe..

Those member`s that you refer too are most probably your own little back patting cliquey gang that shoot at nothing but steel gongs,lol.
I`d take there opinions with a pinch of salt as I do with yours.
But yes I bet there`s a few that would like my profile to disappear? For the only reason that there frit of established stalkers like myself.

 

[NigelM]

Scarlet, I found your original post fascinating. I shoot a reasonable number of deer each year and have never come across this before. Perhaps I should be sifting through the stomach content more often.

You have however once again let yourself down by insulting as many people as you can. I'm not sure what sort of inferiority or narcissistic complex you have but we really don't need it on this forum.

I'm sure we would all benefit from your experience and many of us will learn from posts like this, so please reign in the attitude.