ileso
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a bit like ultra light fishing for big fish?
anyway to answer the OP question Hornady has a 45gr SP but as to its availability in your area.. I guess you should shop around.
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a bit like ultra light fishing for big fish?
anyway to answer the OP question Hornady has a 45gr SP but as to its availability in your area.. I guess you should shop around.
45gr not legal for roe...need 50gr
Cowsmart.
To answer your question (again).
There isn't one.
20 calibre bullets are all made for varminting. None of them are made for deer. There is a reason for that.
That's all.
hairlesshunter
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Are these any good Norman Clark Gunsmiths
Not expanding - therefore not deer legal.
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jthyttin
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Not true. Using like for like data:
http://www.vihtavuori.com/en/reloading-data/rifle-reloading/rifle-reloading-data.html
- 204 50gr 991m/s from 24.75" barrel
- 223 50gr 1077m/s from 25" barrel
Using Berger bullets 204 has slight advantage after 150m, but only because 22cal bullet is not BT. Numbers from JBM:
http://jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj_simp-5.1.cgi
Substitute something like 55gr Nosler BT (Litz data) at 1022m/s and 223 starts with 17% more energy and still has 8% more energy at 300m.
jthyttin
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hairlesshunter
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It says they are on the their web site Information | Berger Bullets
Now try energy and not speed using equivalent weight bullets. The .204 gives 1250ft/lbs at muzzle the .222 1045ft/lbs .223 1175 ft/lbs at muzzle..the bigger number means more energy...
simonl
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Now try finding someone who's actually achieved the manufacturer speeds from a 204... There's lots of smoke & mirrors from the manufacturers from my experience. I just don't think it's a suitable calibre for a consistent humane kill.
regardless of what you think, the Scottish powers that be say otherwise, and I will use their guidelines rather than yours....
anyway thanks for the input, looks like berger 50gr hptbt are the immediate answer..just need to get the rifle built now...shall I post the results on here?
be interesting to see what happens as I get more engine room shot runners with the .22-250 than the .222, but then I always try to 'pinch' abit to save the shoulder meat..
Claret_Dabbler
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I'll mirror that as have shot both 204r and 223. The velocities in them both are about the same (3650). It is difficult to achieve the 4000fps so often quoted. I have sold my 223 as I love the 204 but this is a foxing rifle not a deer rifle. I think unless you head shoot, might have problems with the 204 as has been said above.
Bugger me, three pages of anal guff over a rifle that doesn't actually exist....
no but it will lol.....I only wanted to know if a good 50gr .20 existed...then the rabid piranha's turn up and wait for one to jump in and nip, then the rest follow...I mean in Englandshire, .222/.223/.22-250 etc are not deemed suitable for roe.
Claret_Dabbler
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The 204 is a great little round, I have one with a Walther barrel and 10" twist, I also have a 222 and a 22/250. I think the 222 would be my first choice for Roe, if we had any.
jthyttin
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I was talking about energy all along, and if you're going to use 50gr bullet other weights don't matter.
50gr at 991m/s is 1590J / 1170ftlbs and 1077m/s is 1880J / 1390ftlbs. That's 18% more muzzle energy for 223.
204 is never meant to shine on muzzle energy, and as I pointed out it loses to 223 even at distance if you're using reasonably shaped bullets in both.
In a like train of thought, pick up a 1-8 Tikka or Ruger American. Both are screaming accurate and will handle heavy bullets.
I have two 204's in my gun room. They are designed for varmints, not big game.~Muir
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