Independence 2.

[Pedro]

The West Country could have independence. The north of England too. Probably two independent countries, one each side of the Pennines. Scotland, really is two different countries, there's the central belt downwards and the Highlands. Wales might make one or two and of course Northern Ireland.

Following on from that, we could go back to tribal city states with each tribe fighting for surrounding land every summer. So long as everyone got back to harvest the crops that weren't laid waste in the warring season.


Or perhaps these separate countries came together for the common good. Keeping their identities yet providing a unified front to the world. Maybe that's how the British Empire flourished. Although the days of Empire are gone, a unified front still cuts the mustard. Of course that means sometimes bowing to a majority decision sometimes. Something Sturgeon can't grasp it seems.

 

[Tamar]

The West Country could have independence. The north of England too. Probably two independent countries, one each side of the Pennines. Scotland, really is two different countries, there's the central belt downwards and the Highlands. Wales might make one or two and of course Northern Ireland.

Following on from that, we could go back to tribal city states with each tribe fighting for surrounding land every summer. So long as everyone got back to harvest the crops that weren't laid waste in the warring season.


Or perhaps these separate countries came together for the common good. Keeping their identities yet providing a unified front to the world. Maybe that's how the British Empire flourished. Although the days of Empire are gone, a unified front still cuts the mustard. Of course that means sometimes bowing to a majority decision sometimes. Something Sturgeon can't grasp it seems.

Exactly - "We must all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." Attr Benjamin Franklin 1776

 

[tarponhead]

+1 for an English and Welsh vote, if the Scots have one. Maybe we should vote on whether we want the Scots to remain in the UK? How about we sell them to Europe to pay for the c.60B Euro we alleged owe the EU? But then the EU would have to vote to see if they want yet another country with finances as sound as the Greek economy.... On that note, we really should tell Elgin to give them their marbles back and to play more nicely, next time. And then we'll all get along just fine.

 

[User00025]

Bluntly, I have live amongst the Scots and I have fought with the Scots, but I always had the feeling that the hatred for the Auld enemy was still alive and kicking after seven hundred years, even amongst my blokes.
Scotland is a country of fewer people than the largest city down here and they have a shout in Westminster, they do not have either the finances nor resources to go it alone. When oh when will the Jockanese element stop whining on about being ruled from Westminster and realise that Brussels would be worse (assuming they could get in). My old man along with lads from Scotland,Wales and both sides of the border in Ireland fought to make BRITAIN a free country 70 odd years ago. Some of their names are on war memorials in every village in the UK, and now Scotland want to be ruled by the strongest country in Europe. Shame on you I say, get out as soon as you can and go to Europe cap in hand for help, because you will really need it.

 

[mealiejimmy]

Let's face it, the only part of the UK that could survive and thrive as an independent nation is London and the South East of England.
All the other bits of national and local government in the rest of England, all of Wales, all of Scotland and all of Northern Ireland are dependent on the revenue that is generated from London and the South East

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Feugh]

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As for the oil being done. Ha Ha its Not we are just keeping it away from Londons greedy hands, as it will be used to start a war some where.

Tommo, the whole oil game has changed completely in the last 24 months. "Scottish oil" is not being kept in the ground to keep it out of London's hands (not sure if you were joking with that comment, hard to say). It's being kept in the ground because it's too expensive to get out. Simple fact: when oil is being sold for $50/barrel, many oil fields in the North Sea can not produce at a profit. That is why many fields have been decommissioned and more will follow suite. The tax revenue for oil last year was negative!
Why has oil changed? Because fracking technology in the USA sector has improved so dramatically, and as a result the oil cartel (OPEC) have less power to set the prices. The USA is now self-sufficient in oil, fracked wells are viable at $40/barrel or less, and therefore there is much less likelihood of the oil price rising significantly above current prices. This is stopping a lot of investment into the UK oil sector, and once the current oil infrastructure (the large pipelines, etc) are gone then they are gone, and with them the likelihood of much more oil coming from the North Sea.
The whole oil issue highlights one of the biggest lies of the previous referendum and the White Paper that was produced before it, the lie that "oil is just a bonus". Nonsense, the whole economic case was based on oil and that is why there is a black hole in the finances.

To those in England that are sick of this already, I can only sympathise. Not all Scots hate the English, but unfortunately many will blame the English/Westminster for all things that have gone wrong. Please don't tar all Scots with the same brush. I think that the SNP have pushed a wedge between the nations as part of their strategy and in that they have succeeded.
I have had brief experience of nationalism in Serbia 20 years or so ago. I didn't like it then and I don't like it now.

 

[Woodsmoke]

I've yet to see any Scot on this forum display such ignorant and offensive bigotry as I'm seeing from some Englishmen. Any 'hatred' you perceive is almost certainly a reflection of your own prejudices.

 

[Feugh]

I've yet to see any Scot on this forum display such ignorant and offensive bigotry as I'm seeing from some Englishmen. Any 'hatred' you perceive is almost certainly a reflection of your own prejudices.

Yes and no. I recently attended a family funeral in Watford and some of the guests were quite keen to discuss the whole issue with a Scot. Many are just sick and tired of Sturgeon's constant threats. Some of those that I spoke to would be quite happy to see us split the Union just so they don't have to hear her voice ever again. As I said, I think that this is part of the nationalists strategy.

 

[Hornady]

I've yet to see any Scot on this forum display such ignorant and offensive bigotry as I'm seeing from some Englishmen. Any 'hatred' you perceive is almost certainly a reflection of your own prejudices.

Shut up you holier than thou idiot.

Most of us are having a wind up. Forums need less of you boring people.

Just for info this kind of idiot is the person who names Brexiters as racists and homophobes. Left wring nut Job in the house

 

[JTO]

And if the people in the Northern Isles decide to become part of Norway, where will the oil revenue go then?

 

[Feugh]

And if the people in the Northern Isles decide to become part of Norway, where will the oil revenue go then?

I think it unlikely that Orkney and Shetland would decided to become part of Norway, much more likely that they would push to go their own way. With the fishing and the oil, and the revenues only covering a small population, I believe that they could.
It's a moot point at the moment anyway. Total oil tax revenues were negative last year anyway, and unless the oil price rises significantly there won't be large tax returns again.

 

[Woodsmoke]

Shut up your holier than thou idiot

I beg your pardon? I think you've just proved my point . . . . .

 

[Hornady]

I beg your pardon? I think you've just proved my point . . . . .

You don't even understand the word bigot. Go away left wing socialist nut case

 

[Woodsmoke]

I think you need to wind your neck in, Sunshine

 

[User00025]

I've yet to see any Scot on this forum display such ignorant and offensive bigotry as I'm seeing from some Englishmen. Any 'hatred' you perceive is almost certainly a reflection of your own prejudices.

Woodsmoke ,I have no hatred for any Nation full stop. I may have an inbuilt disgust for Mugabe and a pair of Northern Ireland politicians but I have experienced it amongst some Scots whilst domiciled there you.
We only have to listen to Flower of Scotland or sit watching local lads up North cheering for any opposition to England in sports matches to realise this.The whole attitude was probably one of the main factors in my move in a Southerly direction to retire. I have a few friends in Scotland who have been embarrassed and apologised to me for the behavior of others whilst in their company. I am afraid in my long life that things have ever been one way only. As I said Good Luck because you will definitely need it if you leave the UK

 

[sikamalc]

Ok it didn't take long for the insults to start being flung around did it. I would also add that those who continue to breach site rules will be leaving.

Guess what