Manchester Bombing, Not Good...................

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So, in the name of 'Multiculturalism' we now have to accept that a suicide bomber, targeting young people, is somehow 'normal'..?!?

Decades of social engineering have led us to this point, and those who have steered things this way, truly have blood on their hands.

Islam is a curse on the World, period, and its 'entryism' into our society, probably can now never be undone...

However, this event surely marks the start of a new reality... and how it plays out will be intensely interesting!

I'm heartbroken, thinking of what actually happened last night, and over and above the deaths, and injuries, there will be thousands traumatised by what they went through.

Of course the 'usual media suspects' will gloss over what the root cause is, as they usually do...

Now, it's time to focus on this event, draw some real conclusions, and from there, as the Stranglers sang, back in those strangely innocent 1970's (oh, how I miss 'em!):

'Something Better Change...'
 
They tell us they know who they are so when they go to fight for these child raping ,bank robbing sadists cancel their passport ,declare them stateless so they cant return ,confiscate all Uk property ,bank accounts the lot .When theyre skint and being hunted down it might take their minds off killing innocents as they run away.
How the hell can we let trained killers back here who,s stated purpose is to enslave and kill. Politicians are idiots ,spineless idiots who put us all at risk.
Death toll his now risen to 22 ,still think the Isis scum ave uman rights mr bloody corbyn

This.
If you choose to travel to an Islamic State war zone and fight for the wrong side, then why on earth should you have the right to return here to the country you hate so much? Clearly nobody who goes to fight for ISIS is coming back here to live out the rest of their life in peace and tolerance.
Passport cancelled, assets seized and immediate arrest/deportation if they attempt to return.
 
In almost every one of these attacks, the killers are learned to have been known...this mass murder should be no surprise.

Many a true word Southern. And I speculate that this also may well be the case.
 
I've just been listening to the radio where the Bishop of Manchester was declaiming that Muslims are at one with us, and love wins, and how we mustn't class Muslims with terrorists.
 
This.
If you choose to travel to an Islamic State war zone and fight for the wrong side, then why on earth should you have the right to return here to the country you hate so much? Clearly nobody who goes to fight for ISIS is coming back here to live out the rest of their life in peace and tolerance.
Passport cancelled, assets seized and immediate arrest/deportation if they attempt to return.


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To be fair at least they are admitting its a terror attack - even though it will be a 'lone wolf', 'mental health issues', 'British born', 'IED' etc etc anything but address the reality which I imagine 99% of the world understands. The facts just don't match the narrative the powers that be want to put out. They are too corrupted by Common Purpose (Google it) directives which don't allow for anything to affect their vision of social cohesion which sadly isn't ever going to happen. MODs - Nothing political here just an opinion based on factual observation.
 
I've just been listening to the radio where the Bishop of Manchester was declaiming that Muslims are at one with us, and love wins, and how we mustn't class Muslims with terrorists.

Of course he did? Muslims arn't all terrorists any more than all Irish Catholics were murderors for the IRA?

If only the radacalised terrorists would wear name badges, id have them shot on sight.

Sadly its not as easy as that.

Attacking all muslims innocent and guilty alike, is a great way to radacalise 10000s of current inocents who will feel they are victomised for simply having a diferent faith to you. Expect the suicide bombings to increase as a result of such actions.

I don't know the answers to thease difficult questions but I do know blaming all Muslims for the acts of a handful of radicilised terrorists is both stupid and inefficive.

My personal anger is aimed squarely at the individual Saudies who finance and support most of these groups and the arse licking antics of May and Trump who choose to be oblivious to the commonly held information for the sake of the mighty oil dolla / pound.

That makes me sick

Target the money, target the radical Imams

Leave religion out of it as we all know from history that religion is just the tool for individual power play.
 
When you see the videos of the crowd its particularly poignant as its almost exclusively female attendee's from middle age through to children. Absolutely abhorrent that someone would target that demographic. Poor people!!
 
I am afraid they are here to cause a lot of agony and suffering, they are here to stay and this country only has itself to blame! Why do we keep welcoming these C**TS in with open arms??

The problem is that largely these are not "c**ts" we are letting in. The majority of the time they are homegrown "c**ts", from families which were not disposed to terrorism when they arrived. As for who we let in, there is an argument to discriminate against a particular group on the grounds that a very few of them are a threat to us, but that argument is extremely weak at best. I don't remember much of the equivalent argument being applied to the supposed benefits of driving the Irish out, indeed there wasn't even a real border with the mainland.

Southern points out that usually the people responsible were "known to the police" or security services. I agree with this, but vast numbers of people, if not everyone are known to the police/security services. It's a meaningless phrase (all gun owners are, for example). The fact is that what is known to them is not sufficient to give suspicion that they actually intend any sort of attack. What is usually presented afterwards as evidence in hindsight, is rather like saying that Fred watched the film Heat which is evidence he was planning an armed robbery.

Notwithstanding the above wishy-washiness, I see no particular reason for any human rights to extend to anybody found to have indicated allegiance to a jihadist organisation or cause. A series of accidents seems in order. The problem is that whatever rule or limit you set, these people will circumvent it.

Perhaps we should be rethinking how and whether we afford Islam the status of being a religion - because in important regards, it isn't. The word religion as Western people understand it doesn't adequately describe it. It is religion + nationality + statehood, patriotism, law and complete subjugation to those. We'd be closer if we thought of it as a combination of religion (belief) and fanatical Nazism/communism (means) working towards the eventual establishment of Islam as the religion of everyone surviving on earth (end). Now most Muslims have the good sense not to pay too much attention to this aspect of it, in much the same way as most Christians ignore chunks of their religion which seem out of place.
Also, there is a very widespread problem among the wider, innocent Muslim community. There is a serious problem with where they get their news/ facts from. A recent study showed that more British Muslims think that 9/11 was done by Jews than think it was done by Muslims, and plenty of other obviously completely bonkers stuff. As a group they need to make it entirely clear how harmful and wrong much of this stuff is and to reject it, because this is where people get the sense of grievance, outrage and total lack of perspective that to them justifies them going and doing stupid and evil stuff. I'd defy anyone who accepts the sort of c**p widely asserted to be fact in those communities to have reasonable humane attitudes.
The problem is the intellectual space given for extremism to thrive. There are far too many people sitting too close to the fence making excuses, failing to condemn, making political points which lend space for jihad to start looking acceptable. The same thing happened with the IRA, there were plenty of Irish people, British lefties, Americans with chips on their shoulders all willing to provide excuses for their behaviour, failing to distinguish it as terrorism, blaming the other side and so on. In fact there are people on this site like that. Ridiculously, they're probably outraged at this bombing too.


Some Muslims are never going to accept our values, because they oppose their beliefs in reasonable areas. Some Christians have the same issue. It's not a problem except where it combines with
 
Criminals using religion to get popular support, sound familiar?

Most Muslims might not be terrorists, but most terrorists appear to be Muslims.

I've not been using fast food outlets that are run by Muslims for some time.
 
Target the money, target the radical Imams

Leave religion out of it
as we all know from history that religion is just the tool for individual power play.

Some inconsistency, surely?

There is a problem with leaving religion out of it, and that is that religion can't be left out of it. Unlike the Catholics, who believe that a country or political entity can command their allegiance, hardline Muslims don't. For these people there is literally no distinction between religion and politics or secular standards.
 
Criminals using religion to get popular support, sound familiar?

Most Muslims might not be terrorists, but most terrorists appear to be Muslims.

I've not been using fast food outlets that are run by Muslims for some time.

I've sometimes thought that the curry I had last night was a weapon of terror, as indeed have families or colleagues.

But why boycott only fast food outlets? Garages? Royal mail? Heathrow? convenience stores? your clothes? etc. It seems rather counterproductive. A muslim busy running a business is not a Muslim with time and resentment on his hands acquiring retarded ideas and too much hate.
 
Retarded ideas from all directions, I remember hearing about an in uniform member of HM forces being refused fuel at the pumps, because he was in uniform, so don't discount people in businesses .
 
But why boycott only fast food outlets? Garages? Royal mail? Heathrow? convenience stores? your clothes? etc. It seems rather counterproductive. A muslim busy running a business is not a Muslim with time and resentment on his hands acquiring retarded ideas and too much hate.
Perhaps because take-aways are the only muslim-run businesses that I know of, and the looks that you get when you walk in, appears to be one of guilt.
 
Ladies and gentlemen, whilst we are all shocked and angered by this cowardly and sick act against the UK, PLEASE remember that this is an OPEN forum and anyone can read the contents.

At a time like this we should be thinking of all those that have lost loved ones, or those in hospital, and not making political comments.
That is exactly why we are in the **** that we are in Malc, for too long it has been please do not say anything that might upset our Muslim friends.It is Islams stated purpose to kill or enslave the infidel not just the trained killers that we have let into this country.Now is the time to ban Islam totally it is an evil cult but no doubt I will have people ranting against me calling me racist and islamaphobic but trust me I do not fear Islam I detest it and everything it stands for.Ido not have a. problem with black, brown,yellow or blue people but I do have a problem with this evil disgusting cult.And trust me Mall everyone that has lost loved ones or have injured loved ones will be feeling exactly the same way this morning
 
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Retarded ideas from all directions, I remember hearing about an in uniform member of HM forces being refused fuel at the pumps, because he was in uniform, so don't discount people in businesses .
With the necessary degree of respect, refusing someone fuel is a very different level of extremism from terrorism. In fact, it isn't extreme at all.
I haven't heard about, but expect it has happened, a Muslim person being refused service somewhere run by white English people. Discrimination of any sort is unpleasant, but it's still a very long way away from even condoning murder.
 
My missus got a crisis call at 4am this morning to go into work at Hope Hospital in Salford where she's a matron - I can't comprehend the suffering she will have to deal with today all caused by religious intolerance :mad:

Can't imagine the dread your wife felt getting that call & walking into work this morning Rob.
Easy to forget the emergency staff & people who deal with the aftermath in the hospitals.
 
My younger brother was a senior paramedic and hems trainer latterly, he had to come out of it after the effects of road carnage & the like, so I could only imagine the heartache for the responders at that event where so many were so so young.
 
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