timbrayford
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Precisely, the rooting action of Boar assists dormant annual seeds to germinate.
Forest of Dean Boar - Hunt Sabs
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Precisely, the rooting action of Boar assists dormant annual seeds to germinate.
Freeforester
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I certainly agree that they are great natural ploughs, and as such can (in 'reasonable' numbers) be considered as being beneficial to biodiversity; the biggest explosion of blackgame took place here about thirty years ago when a major hill was ploughed for forestry, throwing up a profusion of dormant seed, before the monoculture sitka won the day. Don't look at the devastation the runoff did to both the hill and the salmon river below, though!
The problem is that we as a species are a bit monocuturally or singular-interest inclined, whether it be forest or farm crops, pheasants or whatever, and under our current arrangements and mindset there appears not to be much tolerance for a more generalised, multifaceted approach. Hence you find the almost Herculean attempts by the State to deal with burgeoning deer populations, even in areas of forestry where the overwhelming majority of the trees planted are not even vulnerable to browsing (GM sitka spruce), rather than designing away the problems as was ably demonstrated in Eskdalemuir all those years ago.
Just glad I'm not a pheasant shoot owner/manager, or concerned with the conservation of ground nesting birds in the Gloucestershire area!
The problem is that we as a species are a bit monocuturally or singular-interest inclined, whether it be forest or farm crops, pheasants or whatever, and under our current arrangements and mindset there appears not to be much tolerance for a more generalised, multifaceted approach. Hence you find the almost Herculean attempts by the State to deal with burgeoning deer populations, even in areas of forestry where the overwhelming majority of the trees planted are not even vulnerable to browsing (GM sitka spruce), rather than designing away the problems as was ably demonstrated in Eskdalemuir all those years ago.
Just glad I'm not a pheasant shoot owner/manager, or concerned with the conservation of ground nesting birds in the Gloucestershire area!
Freeforester
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Coming to carrying capacity/better feeding outwith the denser parts, much like the deer and wildlife generally favouring the 'edges' (usually the outer ones) in terms of habitat and feeding potential?
It will be interesting to see the next published results for their ongoing cull, it looks like the arrival of thermal helped stem the flow the past couple of years, but IMO it will still take increasingly Herculean efforts to get the population regulated to their 400 target, even without the 'input' of the Sabs.
I wonder if they're a bit 'MacCartneyesque' in their views concerning the population overall (preservation at all costs of the many if indeed not all, as opposed to conservation of a more sensible, albeit reduced population)? I feel they'd need to look at the disaster that path ended in over in the Netherlands, where the deer on the Country's largest nature reserve were practically given 'sacred' status by the so-styled 'Greens' and in short time they were mostly ill, emaciated and starving or dead, much like the LACS Baron's Court saga iirc.
But I suppose it's the Sab's left-leaning, intolerant-of-any-compromise way, no? Just so eerily, similarly 'wrong-headed' as their politicos and apparatchiks elsewhere - what a waste of education!
It will be interesting to see the next published results for their ongoing cull, it looks like the arrival of thermal helped stem the flow the past couple of years, but IMO it will still take increasingly Herculean efforts to get the population regulated to their 400 target, even without the 'input' of the Sabs.
I wonder if they're a bit 'MacCartneyesque' in their views concerning the population overall (preservation at all costs of the many if indeed not all, as opposed to conservation of a more sensible, albeit reduced population)? I feel they'd need to look at the disaster that path ended in over in the Netherlands, where the deer on the Country's largest nature reserve were practically given 'sacred' status by the so-styled 'Greens' and in short time they were mostly ill, emaciated and starving or dead, much like the LACS Baron's Court saga iirc.
But I suppose it's the Sab's left-leaning, intolerant-of-any-compromise way, no? Just so eerily, similarly 'wrong-headed' as their politicos and apparatchiks elsewhere - what a waste of education!
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liongeorge
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I always find it interesting that the FC take absolutely no account of culling on private land as if they are the only ones that may have any influence on the population. The boar taken on private land probably dwarfs the FC cull in the FOD though I have no proof of this it is just a gut feeling from keeping a general eye on things.
This attitude by the FC not only applies to the FOD but other FC areas with alot of private land such as the New Forest. Which is daft as we are constantly told (ie the DI)that for management of species such as fallow and I would have thought boar a collaberative approach is the way forward.
This attitude by the FC not only applies to the FOD but other FC areas with alot of private land such as the New Forest. Which is daft as we are constantly told (ie the DI)that for management of species such as fallow and I would have thought boar a collaberative approach is the way forward.
ileso
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I would think that's a correct assumption
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timbrayford
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The basic "Best Practice" principle is to manage deer to a properly conceived management plan on a landscape scale, presumably the same applies to Boar. However, the FC are it would appear more than happy to dispense with "Best Practice" when it doesn't quite suit them. That's not very good as observing "Best Practice" on the public estate is a Government policy.
Freeforester
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Becomes a bit of a grey area too when contractors are picking up 'private guests' to 'assist' with night culls; some of the kit in use might not be entirely legal, much less in keeping with Best Practice...
Bavarianbrit
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In the US I saw cages being used to bait them in then cull them. Not sporting but it got the job done. Martin
I don't usually stalk in a helicopter or anything airborne ( not for forty years anyway). Lots of people tell me you can see animals in thick woodland with thermals when out stalking, i have only ever borrowed one for spotting foxes at night, and would never use them for stalking.
Cannon fodder
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Sabs are well funded by "sympathisers" to buy run and maintain their vehicles.Buy gps trackers and place on suspected vehicles to follow to home or hunt ground. They also have thermal spotters for night time and do homework on Facebook even becoming friends to gain intelligence. They have been giving the forestry commission hell and adding photos on their fb pages. Have friends who seats smashed and death notes on vehicles outside homes.
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