Advice please Manchester police

[mo]

Hi guys,

could any of you offer any advice please.

So my sgc was renewed recently, I live in south Manchester/Cheshire border and this is my regestered Address.

I work as a construction manager and the project I am on is in London so I live down here Monday to Friday and back home on weekends. Now I was told I have two options regarding my renewal, either transfer everything down to London OR stay with Manchester police department but keep my firearm and shotgun in storage and book out/in when ever I intend to use them but I can not keep them at home whilst I am not there.

I was running out of time for Renewal so just went with keeping them in storage as transferring them here would be quite difficult/ complicated due to no option of fitting a cabinet in my rented accommodation.

the more I think about this the more I think I should have challenged this.

could anyone give any advice if they have had been in similar situations or just some
advice/opinions would be great.

Thanks

Mo

 

[mo]

Forgot to mention my cabinet in Manchester is fully complient and it’s the cabinet I have been using the last 12 years

 

[kenbro]

Sorry, can’t help with your problem.

Mmmm, Does this mean you need to put firearms in storage if you go on holiday?
Ken.

 

[Dalua]

If I were working away from home during the week for a bit, I'm not sure I'd expect to have to alter the storage arrangements for my firearms.

I'd certainly think about revisiting this with the FLD, perhaps after a chat with the firearms people at whatever organisation you're in.

 

[smullery]

Hi guys,

could any of you offer any advice please.

So my sgc was renewed recently, I live in south Manchester/Cheshire border and this is my regestered Address.

I work as a construction manager and the project I am on is in London so I live down here Monday to Friday and back home on weekends. Now I was told I have two options regarding my renewal, either transfer everything down to London OR stay with Manchester police department but keep my firearm and shotgun in storage and book out/in when ever I intend to use them but I can not keep them at home whilst I am not there.

I was running out of time for Renewal so just went with keeping them in storage as transferring them here would be quite difficult/ complicated due to no option of fitting a cabinet in my rented accommodation.

the more I think about this the more I think I should have challenged this.

could anyone give any advice if they have had been in similar situations or just some
advice/opinions would be great.

Thanks

Mo

Mo,

So why/by any chance did you “choose” to tell the FEO that you “LIVED” in London, during the week?

Simple slip of the tongue on your part but something that was picked up.

Has big implications on household insurance (more than X number of days away in 12 month), security (if local taurags twig), and on taxation ( wouldn’t want you been seen to not been paying extra council tax for a holiday home )

Short term or long term work?

Have a direct (terraced neighbour) who I was asked to verify his domestic attendance on his renewal on Tuesday of this week. I declined. He is an MEP and works in Brussels. He lodges his shotguns off property. Really only on the property in Game season. Home 3-4 times a month. FEO knows this.

Truth will out.



Stan

 

[Pedro]

You don't say, but are you married/co-habiting? By what I mean, is the house occupied when you are away? If so, I would think that the reduction in security when you are away is pretty minimal. Possibly if you volunteer some extra security measures, then that might satisfy them.

The other thing to consider is how long will this job you are doing in London last? A temporary lodging with an RFD is possible. You could also perhaps consider seeing it's only shotguns, giving them to someone with a certificate if you know someone you can trust with cabinet space. Would have to go onto their cert as well as yours of course.

 

[8x57]

If I were working away from home during the week for a bit, I'm not sure I'd expect to have to alter the storage arrangements for my firearms.

I'd certainly think about revisiting this with the FLD, perhaps after a chat with the firearms people at whatever organisation you're in.

In total agreement with Dalua here. Lots of folk work away from home and only return at weekends so can't see what the problem should be and why your force want you to transfer your certificate to an area where you are not resident.

 

[baguio]

Did you say that your main work base had now moved back to Manchester and now you would be living at home full time again? I'm sure I heard you say that? Best you let you FEO know ASAP so that you can get your firearms back in their secure cabinet.

 

[mo]

Did you say that your main work base had now moved back to Manchester and now you would be living at home full time again? I'm sure I heard you say that? Best you let you FEO know ASAP so that you can get your firearms back in their secure cabinet.

I work in London Monday - Friday and back in Manchester on weekends

 

[Pedro]

Did you say that your main work base had now moved back to Manchester and now you would be living at home full time again? I'm sure I heard you say that? Best you let you FEO know ASAP so that you can get your firearms back in their secure cabinet.

I guess that's a joke, baguio. The consequences of being discovered actually doing that.....

However, so long as your security is good, I don't see the problem.

 

[paul k]

Try asking BASC for advice if you're a member. I think that Manchester are yet another force making up the rules but you need to check. I am now home based but I've had my weapons in my UK cabinet whilst working abroad for weeks at a time and was never told by my FLO that I needed to move them. I think that all the law requires is that they are kept "securely" but of course it's the definition of "secure" that matters.

 

[baguio]

I guess that's a joke, baguio. The consequences of being discovered actually doing that.....

However, so long as your security is good, I don't see the problem.

Millions of FAC holders are away from their main home for some of each week. Do we all have to tell the police if we're not coming home for a night, two nights, three nights etc. Of course we don't. I have been away for months at a time. So what? Mo doesn't say if his Manchester house is empty when he's not there though as that is the important thing. If someone lives there it's irrelevant when he's away.

 

[8x57]

If the house was isolated with no one else living there during the week and no neighbours then perhaps they may have a valid point regarding security. However the situation that Mo describes is quite common.

 

[mo]

Millions of FAC holders are away from their main home for some of each week. Do we all have to tell the police if we're not coming home for a night, two nights, three nights etc. Of course we don't. I have been away for months at a time. So what? Mo doesn't say if his Manchester house is empty when he's not there though as that is the important thing. If someone lives there it's irrelevant when he's away.

the house isn’t empty ever as I have family who live there. There is always somone there during the week, We live in resediental area with neighbours, alarm on property ect. The FLO actually made a point that due to none of my family members being sgc holders or fac holders this some how poses a risk if I am not living at the property during the week.

 

[VSS]

the house isn’t empty ever as I have family who live there. There is always somone there during the week, We live in resediental area with neighbours, alarm on property ect. The FLO actually made a point that due to none of my family members being sgc holders or fac holders this some how poses a risk if I am not living at the property during the week.

I think your licensing dept is going too far over this. Seems to me that your security arrangements are no different to many other people who work away from home during the week. Better than many, in fact.

 

[wheely]

I worked as the headgroundsman at a hotel and used my shotgun and rifle at works some days. I kept my weapons in a gun cabinet at work as this was more convenient than keeping them at home and bringing them into work just in case they were needed that day. I was told this was safer than most people as there was always someone on duty at the hotel even though i was only there 3 days each week at most. Cannot see this is any different than your case.

 

[Whitebeard]

Hi guys,

could any of you offer any advice please.

So my sgc was renewed recently, I live in south Manchester/Cheshire border and this is my regestered Address.

I work as a construction manager and the project I am on is in London so I live down here Monday to Friday and back home on weekends. Now I was told I have two options regarding my renewal, either transfer everything down to London OR stay with Manchester police department but keep my firearm and shotgun in storage and book out/in when ever I intend to use them but I can not keep them at home whilst I am not there.

I was running out of time for Renewal so just went with keeping them in storage as transferring them here would be quite difficult/ complicated due to no option of fitting a cabinet in my rented accommodation.

the more I think about this the more I think I should have challenged this.

could anyone give any advice if they have had been in similar situations or just some
advice/opinions would be great.

Thanks

Mo

Next time you are home, collect your shotguns from your RFD and lock them up in your cabinets and leave it at that, you dont need to tell anyone anything about it.

Ian.

 

[roryh]

Guns stay at your home address. It's that simple.

When serving I asked if I could keep them in the armoury on station while there (obviously far more than when at home) Was told no, unless I registered the camp as my home address.

 

[topscots1]

Guns stay at your home address. It's that simple.

When serving I asked if I could keep them in the armoury on station while there (obviously far more than when at home) Was told no, unless I registered the camp as my home address.

I think that would depend on your FAO I have had permission to store firearms in three different locations at the same time, you are the certificate holder not the address as long as all precautions are taking to maintain safe keeping.

 

[baguio]

I spent several years living in two different properties. The guns where registered at one address and when I wanted to take them with me to the other address I did. Cabinet in both properties obviously. Did I ever have a problem? Of course I didn't? The police have no right to micromanage our lives. Provided the guns are kept secure they don't need to worry and why should they?