Offensive weapons bill announced

Sinistral

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Just announced in the HOC Business Statement this morning:-

The Second Reading of the ‘Offensive Weapons Bill’ will take place in the HOC on Wednesday 27th June.

The principle of surrender & compensation will be followed just like handgun ban of 1997.

Extracts are below, with a iink to the full Bill at the end.


28 Prohibition of certain firearms etc: England and Wales and Scotland

(1) The Firearms Act 1968 is amended as follows.

(2) In section 5 (weapons subject to general prohibition), in subsection (1), after paragraph (af) insert—



“(ag) any rifle from which a shot, bullet or other missile, with kinetic energy of more than 13,600 joules at the muzzle of the weapon, can be discharged;


(ah) any rifle with a chamber from which empty cartridge cases are extracted using—

(i) energy from propellant gas, or
(ii) energy imparted to a spring or other energy storage device by propellant gas, other than a rifle which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges;”.


(3) In section 5(1), for the “and” at the end of paragraph (b) substitute—

“(ba) any device (commonly known as a bump stock) which is designed or adapted so that—

(i) it is capable of forming part of or being added to a selfloading lethal barrelled weapon (as defined in section 57(1B) and (2A)), and

(ii) if it forms part of or is added to such a weapon, it increases the rate of fire of the weapon by using the recoil from the weapon to generate repeated pressure on the trigger; and”.

(4) In section 5(2), after “including,” insert “in the case of weapons, any devices falling within subsection (1)(ba) of this section and,”.

(5) In section 5(2A)(a), after “weapon” insert “, device”.

(6) In section 51A(1)(a) (minimum sentences for certain offences under section 5), in each of sub-paragraphs (i) and (iii), after “(af)” insert “, (ag), (ah), (ba)”.

(7) In Schedule 6 (prosecution and punishment of offences) in Part 1 (table of punishments)—

(a) in the entry for section 5(1)(a), (ab), (aba), (ac), (ad), (ae), (af) or (c), in the first column, after “(af)” insert “, (ag), (ah), (ba)”,

(b) in the entry for section 19, in the third column, for “or (af)” substitute “, (af), (ag), (ah) or (ba)”, and

(c) in the entry for section 20(1), in the third column, for “or (af)” substitute“, (af), (ag), (ah) or (ba)”.

(8) The amendments made by subsection (6) apply only in relation to—

(a) an offence under section 5(1)(ag), (ah) or (ba) of the Firearms Act 1968 which is committed after the coming into force of subsection (6), and

(b) an offence under a provision listed in section 51A(1A) of that Act in respect of a firearm specified in section 5(1)(ag), (ah) or (ba) of that Act which is committed after the coming into force of subsection (6).

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2017-2019/0232/18232.pdf
 
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Quite right too.

I mean, how else are criminals going to be controlled if we don't have all this legislation?
 
Is that it then. So when I have used all my 9mm ammo in my southern gun company lever release no cleaning just wait to hand it in.
 
I'm more than annoyed that despite 78% of respondents to the consultation being opposed to more legislation they are going ahead with it anyway it would seem. Well quelle surprise, I didnt see that coming..

There have clearly been some idiots responding as well, because one of the arguments in favour of banning .50 cals is "the police have no body armour which protects against them". Well yes true, but then I dont think the old bill will be too capable of chasing crooks down when they're wearing 25kg of AR500 steel!!

That aside, that argument completely misses the point that .50 cals have never been used in a crime in the UK.

All of this is acknowlegded in the documentation but apparently the "consultation" was nothing of the sort and should be referred to as what it is - paying lip service to due process before inflicting lazy armchair legislation on an innocent section of the population in an effort to make those of a Guardian reading disposition happy and be seen to be "doing something" about the spate of murders in London. None of which were committed with a .50 cal and entirely 100% of which were committed with illegally held firearms.

Page 15 if you fancy a read;

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/717673/SUMMARY_OF_CONSULTATION_RESPONSES.pdf
 
One thing to note is the 20 June 2018 cut-off date regarding compensation. So if you don't won this, nor have entered into a contract to purchase said item, you won't get compensation. Be aware!
 
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Should be called the ‘ offensive political nonsence farce bill’.
stinks of the brocock rubbish all over again.
no evidence ....just some jobsworth wanting to tick a box.


has anyone reverse engineered the likely maximum calibre / barrel length / bullet weight from the energy limit that ‘can’ be allowed ?
 
has anyone reverse engineered the likely maximum calibre / barrel length / bullet weight from the energy limit that ‘can’ be allowed ?
You mean calculated?
It was expected to be a .50 BMG calibre ban not an HME restriction. :shock:
It's 10,030 ft/lbs anyway. I'm working on it.
 
Already did this as a friend has a .416 Rigby. Neither .416 Rigby, nor .460 Weatherby Magnum will become prohibited by this law. And, as muzzle energy is affected mostly be a projectile's velocity, .220 Swift won't be either. All of the classic British "big game" calibres such as .600 NE and .577 NE also remain unaffected. Hope it helps.
 
I dont think theres many cartridges that will be effected by this piece of somewhat questionable legislation (not that thats the point of course!!) but really you're looking at .50BMG, .577 T-Rex, .700NE and a handful of other really top end loads.

Even ammo like .458WM, .416 Rigby/Rem Mag and .338 Lapua are well under 10,000ft/lb.

But as I say, thats still not the point :D
 
I'm sad to say if this one was unwinnable - which I predicted, we are finished, its just a matter of time and lobbying. A
nyone 'welcomed' the end of .5 BMG and the virtuous compensation scheme ?
 
As said many times, if BASC etc ad nauseum can't win something like this where 50 cal has never been used in a crime, we aint got a chance.
 
I dont think theres many cartridges that will be effected by this piece of somewhat questionable legislation (not that thats the point of course!!) but really you're looking at .50BMG, .577 T-Rex, .700NE and a handful of other really top end loads.

Even ammo like .458WM, .416 Rigby/Rem Mag and .338 Lapua are well under 10,000ft/lb.

But as I say, thats still not the point :D

.50 BMG will be banned but the ME threshold is set quite a bit below this. This introduces power as an additional criteria for defining ‘dangerous weapons’. The .416 Barrett probably will be banned too, plus the more lunatic American wildcats like 458 Socom, .458/.500/.510 Whisper, 577 Tyrannosaur & so on.

Yet .408 CheyTac which is now supposed to be THE ultimate long range sniper & anti-materiel cartridge between .338 Lapua & .50 BMG isn’t affected. The weapons will be banned but the ammunition won’t be. Not really my area of interest all this but worth a look. :roll:
 
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This country needs a backbone.

all this pc has gone to madness level.

the sheeple are too interested in facebook, reality tv and looking up womans skirts to see what's really happening.
 
I mean who shoots deer with a 50 cal anyway.

Exactly. Nobody should be allowed to own any sort of weapon of a type I personally don't own.

And then only under the strictest of conditions...and that subject to a Doctor's medical reference.

Oops! I sound like a spokesman for the "My shooting will always be safe with the Tories" cohort of gammons...
 
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Already did this as a friend has a .416 Rigby. Neither .416 Rigby, nor .460 Weatherby Magnum will become prohibited by this law. And, as muzzle energy is affected mostly be a projectile's velocity, .220 Swift won't be either. All of the classic British "big game" calibres such as .600 NE and .577 NE also remain unaffected. Hope it helps.

577 T-Rex is right on the limit and AFAIK it has the highest ME of any proprietory or factory African DG design, so I'd say whoever put this together got some advice from Rigby's or whoever to avoid including any of these cartridges inadvertently.
 
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