EU Withdrawal Agreement....

[User00025]

Whatever we think, some people in the Know firmly believe this deal was sorted after Lancaster House. We had already been sold out by the real powers.

 

[Roro]

We always had control of our borders - we chose not to exercise it. It’s what happened when certain UK citizens turned their nose up at the work that others weren’t too entitled or lazy to do.

I seem to remember David Cameron heading off to brussels to see if the free movement of people could be controlled, and him being firmly told by an unelected drunk, Junker, NO. If you are in the club you obey the rules. A clear case loss of sovereignity.

As for people being too lazy to work, i am not surprised in the least. Thatcher closed down most of Britains manufacturing, coal mines, ship building, heavy engineering, light engineering, a huge amount of the motor/motorcycle industry, machine tool makers, textile makers, chemicals etc etc, turning many towns and cities into ghost towns where there was little chance of work. 30 odd years later whole families have been reared with no one in the house ever having worked, they have been bred to never work. Who's fault is that ?

 

[Roro]

These ruling classes have no intention of allowing us self determination and this latest manifestation of Global Corporatism is a drive for a new form of control

The EU is not a democratic organisation - yes there is an EU Parliament - but it is at best a fig leaf of democracy to hide where the true power lies - The EU Commission and their corporate puppet masters

You only need to listen to some of these power crazy commissioners to understand that they fully understand that the current manifestation in Europe has been arrived at by slight of hand

Several have openly admitted that had they been honest with the peoples of Europe - they would have been slung out long ago.

They know that there is a point where - even if the people(s) wake up - it will be too late - Individual freedom will be gone

We have one last throw of the dice - one last chance to extricate ourselves from a new European tyranny

Yes it will cost and I guess it will be disproportionately paid by the youth

However they either pay now or they will pay a hundred fold later

Maybe a cost worth taking ? I have only heard about the financial cost so far, in a short period of time, with the ever closer union rubbish, there would be little or no power to wrestle power back from the germans/brussels. If you think the eu is some cuddly benign institution, look at how they are treating Hungary, for their refusal to accept many thousands of migrants, threats, and withdrawal of voting rights. the eu is a mess and its only going to get worse.

 

[Roro]

mmmmmm that'll be good with a neutral Roi contigent !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From what i have heard from people, they are saying it is a great thing, deluded.

 

[Roro]

I believe you're right brother . I will say one thing , the EU army being proposed has raised a few eyebrows in Canada . A lot of Canadians gave their lives dealing with that mentality during two world wars , we're a bit sensitive about that .

AB

What caught everyones attention was the French closet case, macron, saying the eu army would be used to protect europe from the USA ! That was a serious snub to the Americans, so many of whom gave their life to save the french in the first place.

 

[alberta boy]

Whilst i want to make it clear, an EU army has sod all to do with Brexit (the UK would undoubtabley put forces into an EU army even if we left) and is very unlikely in the near future, The point is we are simply dwarfed by the likes of USA China and Russia. SO to be playing with the big boys we need to unite our military into an EU army.

Germany is not now nor ever has been in charge of the EU in fact despite being the biggest in terms of population it has the same voting power as France and Italy and formally the UK and some restrictions put on it as to how it can use that power. IE if any of the big four veto a constitutional vote it cant go through. BUT if France Italy and the UK decide on something, then Germany cant veto it.

I realize the EU army has nothing to do with Brexit , as to being dwarfed by china and russia , that's why the allies formed NATO , you include the USA , do you actually consider the US to be a threat ? . The last time I checked there were a few EU members that belong to NATO . One thing I can assure you , if the EU does decide to go with it's own military organization , the US , republican or democrat versions , will probably pull out . Then Europe would be on its own . There has been considerable discussion in the US and Canada about this already . As I said previously , the EU Army doesn't in reality have anything to do with Brexit , unfortunately the overall impression on this side of the Atlantic is that it's all part of the same thing . A continent facing financial , political and cultural upheaval . The worlds getting tribal brother , it doesn't look good . And that is all I'll say on the subject , I feel like I've intruded enough already . Good luck .

AB

 

[bowji john]

I realize the EU army has nothing to do with Brexit , as to being dwarfed by china and russia , that's why the allies formed NATO . The last time I checked there were a few EU members that belong to NATO . One thing I can assure you , if the EU does decide to go with it's own military organization , the US , republican or democrat versions , will probably pull out . Then Europe would be on its own . There has been considerable discussion in the US and Canada about this already . As I said previously , the EU Army doesn't in reality have anything to do with Brexit , unfortunately the overall impression on this side of the Atlantic is that it's all part of the same thing . A continent facing financial , political and cultural upheaval . The worlds getting tribal brother , it doesn't look good . And that is all I'll say on the subject , I feel like I've intruded enough already . Good luck .

AB

The EU has neither the back bone nor the ability to stand up to China etc

We in the UK - if we are forced to remain - could be supporting a totalitarian system that shares nothing of our beliefs, possibly against our bothers in the US and Canada

I know where my loyalties would lie - not with a franco - german stitch up

 

[User00025]

The EU has neither the back bone nor the ability to stand up to China etc

We in the UK - if we are forced to remain - could be supporting a totalitarian system that shares nothing of our beliefs, possibly against our bothers in the US and Canada

I know where my loyalties would lie - not with a franco - german stitch up

Too bloody True Brother!!

 

[Hereford]

I seem to remember David Cameron heading off to brussels to see if the free movement of people could be controlled, and him being firmly told by an unelected drunk, Junker, NO. If you are in the club you obey the rules. A clear case loss of sovereignity.

As for people being too lazy to work, i am not surprised in the least. Thatcher closed down most of Britains manufacturing, coal mines, ship building, heavy engineering, light engineering, a huge amount of the motor/motorcycle industry, machine tool makers, textile makers, chemicals etc etc, turning many towns and cities into ghost towns where there was little chance of work. 30 odd years later whole families have been reared with no one in the house ever having worked, they have been bred to never work. Who's fault is that ?

We never relinquished control of our borders, as some may have you believe - we opted out of key areas, operated upon different entry terms and maintained controls far in excess as opposed to many other countries in the EU.

Thatcher and her conservatives in the 80’s certainly dismantled a society that many want to hark back to - the simple fact is that society does not exist any more as we’re not the kind of society (generally) that we were post-war and up to 1979 - we’re not as kind and are far more selfish in our outlook, in my opinion.

You can try as hard as you like to act like the upper echelons of society, who’ll swing public opinion to suit theirs and their cohorts ends, but at the end of the day normal folk (white, black, brown, left, right, centre) will only just play the part in their game - and will most likely suffer more than gain in furthering their aims and schemes.

 

[bowji john]

You could be right Hereford

For my own position - an EU controlled society would probably be in my best interests as it will maintain higher land values long enough to sell up

We are looking at moving to Canada - I briefly lived in Tofield Alberta as well as Ohio and Florida in the US

There comes a time when you have to give up on a culture if it is going in a direction that doesn't suit

Manitoba looks like it might have the space and a harsh enough climate to keep the population low

Perhaps Alberta boy could advise

 

[Roro]

We never relinquished control of our borders, as some may have you believe - we opted out of key areas, operated upon different entry terms and maintained controls far in excess as opposed to many other countries in the EU.

Thatcher and her conservatives in the 80’s certainly dismantled a society that many want to hark back to - the simple fact is that society does not exist any more as we’re not the kind of society (generally) that we were post-war and up to 1979 - we’re not as kind and are far more selfish in our outlook, in my opinion.

Well i have seen several senior members of new labour apologise for throwing open the borders during blairs reign of terror. Ed balls was one, i cannot remember the name of the other, but i do remember blair saying he was "going to push diversity down the tory's throats". Well thats not gone too well has it ? In fact, i would say its a direct contributing factor to brexit.

Dismantled society ? Yes, and i can see it happening here in Ireland too, starting twenty five years ago, the big debate was "unmarried mothers" back then, as it was frowned upon to be a single mother, the liberals started there and now more children are born to single mothers than married. Then it was divorce, again forbidden, now relatively common, but pointless seeing as most people do not marry anymore in the first place. And we have had it all since then, gay "marriage", abortion, the shunning of the church (but amazingly they fawn over islam), i would imagine euthinasia is next. All very "right-on", trendy and with it , but there is no society anymore, just individuals rattling around on their own. Personally i think its sad.

 

[Roro]

You could be right Hereford

For my own position - an EU controlled society would probably be in my best interests as it will maintain higher land values long enough to sell up

We are looking at moving to Canada - I briefly lived in Tofield Alberta as well as Ohio and Florida in the US

There comes a time when you have to give up on a culture if it is going in a direction that doesn't suit

Manitoba looks like it might have the space and a harsh enough climate to keep the population low

Perhaps Alberta boy could advise

Hasn't son of castro, trudeau, destroyed that country too ? Or is on his way to doing so ?

 

[bowji john]

Hasn't son of castro, trudeau, destroyed that country too ? Or is on his way to doing so ?

Perhaps - but I believe there is still space to fashion a life of your own - It is not something we have discussed lightly - we know from past experience that it is folly to look for ever greener pastures - it is also folly not to have a back door when you need it

 

[alberta boy]

You could be right Hereford

For my own position - an EU controlled society would probably be in my best interests as it will maintain higher land values long enough to sell up

We are looking at moving to Canada - I briefly lived in Tofield Alberta as well as Ohio and Florida in the US

There comes a time when you have to give up on a culture if it is going in a direction that doesn't suit

Manitoba looks like it might have the space and a harsh enough climate to keep the population low

Perhaps Alberta boy could advise

I can't believe you lived in Tofield ! One of my oldest friends lives there and owns the Liquor store , wow , small world . I've stored my trucks at another friends place just south of HWY 14 on RRD 202 . Manitoba is exactly as you describe it . I immigrated to Alberta because of the country , the people and the opportunities . It hasn't changed much in 40 years , I'd do the same again .

AB

 

[alberta boy]

Hasn't son of castro, trudeau, destroyed that country too ? Or is on his way to doing so ?

He gave it a shot , but fortunately , he's his fathers son , another tool of the first order that couldn't lead a blind turkey for a sh!t . He hasn't really done anything other than embarrass himself in India and buy a pipeline that doesn't exist . Overall he's pretty harmless .

AB

 

[bowji john]

I can't believe you lived in Tofield ! One of my oldest friends lives there and owns the Liquor store , wow , small world . I've stored my trucks at another friends place just south of HWY 14 on RRD 202 . Manitoba is exactly as you describe it . I immigrated to Alberta because of the country , the people and the opportunities . It hasn't changed much in 40 years , I'd do the same again .

AB

I might just be sending you a PM mate

 

[bowji john]

Alberta boy - Is that dirty pond still there at the end of the main road? I remember swimming in it as a kid

I also remember winter fishing from a boat at Beverhill lake - freezing !!

 

[Roro]

He gave it a shot , but fortunately , he's his fathers son , another tool of the first order that couldn't lead a blind turkey for a sh!t . He hasn't really done anything other than embarrass himself in India and buy a pipeline that doesn't exist . Overall he's pretty harmless .

AB

I heard he was anything but harmless, but you would know much better than me. He always came across as a tool.

 

[alberta boy]

Alberta boy - Is that dirty pond still there at the end of the main road? I remember swimming in it as a kid

I also remember winter fishing from a boat at Beverhill lake - freezing !!

Ha ! Yes it is , and Beaverhill Lake is still cold , expecting your PM .

AB

 

[alberta boy]

I heard he was anything but harmless, but you would know much better than me. He always came across as a tool.

I should clarify , the Liberal Party is up to some profoundly stupid things . That's why they were thrown out of office the last time , it's a bit of a perpetual cycle . Trudeau is a poster boy and a trust fund baby of the worst sort . The only job he's ever had before entering politics was as a part time drama teacher , if you watch him enough , you can actually see him using his drama teacher training when giving speeches , it's quite comical . He was picked as leader of the Liberal party because of his name and he's pretty , sadly enough , that will get you elected these days . So as I said , the sock puppet isn't smart enough to be dangerous , the Liberal party on the other hand can do all sorts of damage , as can any political party of any leaning .

AB