So . . . .

[tackb]

Haw can a confirmable fact be a crock?

We have freedom thanks to the EU and as shown above our venerated leaders of the war era saw our future freedom as being inexorably linked to the EU

Maybe , once we’d freed them from nazi oppression with the help of the commonwealth and America and financially crippled our country

There’s some scaremongering nonsense talked on this thread but some of your remoaning gems are priceless

 

[Roro]

I think you will find that the reasons these industries are gone is because the goods can be made for a quarter of the price in China and other developing countries. Nothing to do with the EU. Pro

Never said it was. I was responding to enfieldspares post about people choosing to live on the dole. But all or most of the industries mentioned, are thriving in germany.

 

[Hornet 6]

Perhaps those who wish to have homes here and in the EU, who also choose where to work based on earning should
decide which they want, for its certain that they can't have the best of both for as long as it involves a currency conversion.
I for one will not go that route to keep the tiny minority happy.

Neil.

 

[mchughcb]

I think you will find that the reasons these industries are gone is because the goods can be made for a quarter of the price in China and other developing countries. Nothing to do with the EU. Pro

Germans went for automation. Chinese went for cheap labour. The cheap labour in china is drying up very fast. The cost of shipping, especially with the super ships from Maresk have made transnational shipping cheap. The germans will still have their industrial might. The Chinese will cling to their industrial might. UK adopted the too hard basket.

Government policy can have a huge impact on industry.



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[mereside]

cheap chinese isn't the way, funny though how people see manufacting in the uk as dead, our turnover last year was 75% oversees out of the EU work probably in the minority. As a welding/ fabrication company we are seeing similar in our industry in our area at least, also worth a note that our welding wire which was usually from other country's one of the major players now has re opened it's uk factory's and has now started producing to the high standards it once did and is at least comparble on price, in our industry we have to get a qaulity that is a standard and repeatable quality that rules out china and other forein origins, regards wayne

 

[tackb]

How am I getting a UK pension if I have not paid up my dues. HORNET.

everybody gets it whether they have paid or not

 

[mchughcb]

cheap chinese isn't the way, funny though how people see manufacting in the uk as dead, our turnover last year was 75% oversees out of the EU work probably in the minority. As a welding/ fabrication company we are seeing similar in our industry in our area at least, also worth a note that our welding wire which was usually from other country's one of the major players now has re opened it's uk factory's and has now started producing to the high standards it once did and is at least comparble on price, in our industry we have to get a qaulity that is a standard and repeatable quality that rules out china and other forein origins, regards wayne

Interesting. I was looking a local mineral processing manufacturer in Australia last year. I would have thought the cheaper items such as tanks would have been sourced from china but they sourced them from a german in south Australia who was 10% more expensive but was reliable , high quality and they could check the job after a 6 hr drive.

When i was in china last year looking a a processing plant the chinese recommended japanese control system.

Quality and attention to customer needs is winning back work.

 

[tackb]

Quite strange how most of the industry you mention has vanished since we joined the EU isn't it.

the eu funded their move to the eu with our money , we effectively paid the eu to asset strip our country !

 

[mereside]

Interesting. I was looking a local mineral processing manufacturer in Australia last year. I would have thought the cheaper items such as tanks would have been sourced from china but they sourced them from a german in south Australia who was 10% more expensive but was reliable , high quality and they could check the job after a 6 hr drive.

When i was in china last year looking a a processing plant the chinese recommended japanese control system.

Quality and attention to customer needs is winning back work.

In fabrication either in the Eu or uk even USA, everything is governed by quality and traceability. Everything has to be within a tolerance material wise and certified to be the correct grade,along with certification and coding for each weld. There was a debarcal not too long again about China flooding the market with cheap Chinese steel but it couldn’t be used as the grade was poor and not up to any standard. The uk manufactures it’s own steel as long as importing materials from the eu on quite a large scale, I use 500 ton a year do we think the eu will price themselves out of a market that we won’t take it, surely that’s cutting there own nose off to spite the face? This is one instance, we even manufacture to the USA from here in the uk, certain things people need end of regards Wayne

 

[Roro]

the eu funded their move to the eu with our money , we effectively paid the eu to asset strip our country !

Yes that is possible. I am a fitter/turner/coded welder by trade, i used to do a bit of maintenance for a small chemical works near my job. The lad who's job it was to do the maintenance there, had very little to work with machinery wise, so if something needed machining or welding, pipework etc, he would ask me to do it, so long as my boss got paid for it, he didn't mind.

That chemical works is now in Poland, in some little town in the middle of nowhere. The EU paid for it to be moved for the owner, as it was "Creating jobs" ! My point was yes it is creating jobs in Poland, but exactly the same number of jobs were being lost in Ireland, so overall nothing was created at all.

 

[JTO]

It's all about redistribution of wealth, Harold Wilson style, AKA Socialism.

 

[Klenchblaize]

It's good to know this Country has great experience of trench warfare as I'm reliably informed we should expect nothing less for at least the next 10 years or even 20 when attempting to negotiate each and every aspect of our exit once the flag is dropped.

And that's not a scaremongering observation based on crashing out but what to expect when leaving with any defined deal.

The only good I can see from such a situation is it should establish those politicians who truly wish to serve as distinct from those with a more self-serving agenda as I just can't see the latter hanging around very long if required to spend c90% of their time subject to the challenges and frustrations of EU extrication.

K

 

[Roro]

In fabrication either in the Eu or uk even USA, everything is governed by quality and traceability. Everything has to be within a tolerance material wise and certified to be the correct grade,along with certification and coding for each weld. There was a debarcal not too long again about China flooding the market with cheap Chinese steel but it couldn’t be used as the grade was poor and not up to any standard. The uk manufactures it’s own steel as long as importing materials from the eu on quite a large scale, I use 500 ton a year do we think the eu will price themselves out of a market that we won’t take it, surely that’s cutting there own nose off to spite the face? This is one instance, we even manufacture to the USA from here in the uk, certain things people need end of regards Wayne

I got a few weeks handy work making up steel silhouette bays for gun clubs here. The police insist the sill's are in a type of open sided box to catch the bullet. Anyway i bought 16 8x4 sheets of 3mm steel, it turns out it was chinese. A very odd type of stuff, i bent some of it and instead of bending smoothly, it fractured like folding a piece of stale bread in half.

 

[nun_hunter]

I can remember interest rates being 17% on my first mortgage ''while enjoying the good times of the EU noonoo blanket.''

My dad like to remind me of this all the time (as I can't get a mortgage due to the 20%+ deposit required) what he fails to realise is that his mortgage was 2.5 times his salary. For me to buy his house today I'd need 10 times my salary (£40k) and with inflation I'm earning that same as he was.

There are so many people who with just a few % interest rise rate would be unable to afford their mortgage let along interest rates going into double figures.

On the plus side of all these homeowners misery there will be a glut of cheap houses So I may be able to buy one!

 

[User00014]

My dad like to remind me of this all the time (as I can't get a mortgage due to the 20%+ deposit required) what he fails to realise is that his mortgage was 2.5 times his salary. For me to buy his house today I'd need 10 times my salary (£40k) and with inflation I'm earning that same as he was.

There are so many people who with just a few % interest rise rate would be unable to afford their mortgage let along interest rates going into double figures.

On the plus side of all these homeowners misery there will be a glut of cheap houses So I may be able to buy one!

By the sounds of it you and I are in the same boat!

 

[sauer]

Betweeen mortgage woes
Crippling initial car insurance 2grand for a 500 quid banger

No apprenticeships hardly to see

Zero hour contract sh1t so folks are working and never know they could be gone next day
Can’t plan barely living & working what amounts to slave labour


I feel for the younger folk these days trying to get started [emoji22]


Paul

 

[User00025]

I also feel very sorry for youngsters and how the prices of houses have escalated by comparison with wages. This started happening in the first big hike in house prices circa1972 and has gone on since. Fortunately I bought my first house before then. Interesting though as that was about the time we joined the common market, just saying.

 

[jimmy milnes]

By the sounds of it you and I are in the same boat!

Quote from.post 611

At 0130am this morning a catching Team arrived on my Farm,

Thought you had a farm Lee ?

 

[Klenchblaize]

I also feel very sorry for youngsters and how the prices of houses have escalated by comparison with wages. This started happening in the first big hike in house prices circa1972 and has gone on since. Fortunately I bought my first house before then. Interesting though as that was about the time we joined the common market, just saying.

Yep, it's a real shame the "Right To Buy" Council house stock didn't come to pass untill 03/10/1980 but not sure we can blame the EU for that delay?

K

 

[Roro]

I am convinced the wide open border policy is supported by the big dodgy builders who back political parties. Look at the population rise in the uk since the war, 45 million vs 65 million.