Capstan winch rope

[sauer]

Hi folks

Now I’ve got a capstan winch .... reading the blurb says use double braided polyester .......

Guess o can’t get away with the good old blue polypropylene rope for this?

Recommendations where to get for decent price?
How much meters you guys using these do you recommend ? Thinking 200 meters

Paul

 

[jimmy milnes]

Tried to do a link to some on the bay of doom but won't do it for some reason.
There's 6mm in 200m lengths on there anyway.

 

[Huntersforge]

10mm polyester double braid from a marine chandler. Has something like a 2 ton breaking strain

 

[White Hart]

Sauer

I know forestry guys that do use the old blue polyprop where they know the ropes liable to get damaged, fair stretch on it mind before it goes bang... (Its not the done thing though but cheap and readily available. its more of a one hit wonder!) You'll have to give it an extra couple of wraps to stop it slipping on the drum...

You could try these guys but good rope ain't cheap and cheap rope ain't good!

Double Braid Polyester Capstan Winch Rope - OrionForestry.co.uk

12mm x 220m ( 1/2" x 750ft) Polypropylene Rope

WH

 

[tony rentokil]

Paul I have x2 newish mountainering ropes you can have for £20,,,,very long and mega strong,,
Tony

 

[sauer]

Hi tony

Yes would take them ... useful for other stuff if not good on the winch

Been caught before with long rope tied to Argo winch and stretch like an elastic band !

Pm me details / payment detail etc


Please
Paul

 

[tony rentokil]

where abouts are you ,,as postage would cost as much as the item ,,,these days?

 

[sauer]

NE Scotland
DD10

 

[Smelly Yeti]

Was going to recommend trying to get hold of some old climbing ropes. They are dynamic and will stretch a bit under load but not a bad thing if hauling beasts. Failing that abseiling rope is static (no stretch) and better if you’re doing a wee bit of self recovery

 

[75]

I'd not use a climbing rope myself (as a climber I've got loads of old ropes lying around). Too much stretch - they're designed to stretch to absorb the shock of a falling climber, so trying to use any length of the stuff you'll find it's like an elastic band!

 

[sauer]

Must have been what I had already !


Plus want to make sure rope o has has higher breaking strain than the winch

I’ll look for double braided 10 mm ( min recommended) it’s around 2000kg

Winch is 1450kg on double pull

Paul

 

[Kalahari]

Really boring cowardly advice, use the right stuff, you don't want increase the risk of a nasty accident, out in the wilds with little help at hand.

David.

 

[sauer]

Really boring cowardly advice, use the right stuff, you don't want increase the risk of a nasty accident, out in the wilds with little help at hand.

David.

Not boring or cowardly it’s the correct advice

I mentioned the blue polypropylene as it’s cheap BUT stuff I was looking at has the required breaking strain & diameter
Just wondered if it would work or slip .

You are correct get right stuff

I’ve seen high tension wire rope go under load before and it’s frightening ....

Not the same I know but still major damage / fatality


Good comment / post David
Paul

 

[Miki]

Dyneema is the stuff to use, it's down side is that its expensive but it's light and strong, 6mm 12 strand is 4500Kg breaking. Being light, when it does ping it doesn't fly back and cause damage and you can simply weave it back together again...

 

[devon deer stalker]

Blue rope will snap I expect, assuming your pulling a red that is, for anything smaller you will get away with it, however I speak from tying it onto my truck and dragging a deer, but I can't see it being any different from using a capstan winch, of which I am very jealous you have got one!
I have 100 m of climbing rope which was given to me for use with a winch when I get one, but reading 75's post it looks like it isn't suitable.
Cheers
Richard

 

[lochty]

Paul - we managed to get a 20 stone stag out of a wood using nothing more than a loop tied in it, and a Hilux to pull it. Had to give it a bit of a "help" over some tree stumps, but it worked well enough. ATB Dave

 

[Treedave]

Yep polyester is the way to go, be that double braid, braid on braid, 3 strand or pre stretched polyester. If you want 200m of rope I’d suggest getting it in a couple (or more) lengths, as 100 m of rope can get real heavy and a nightmare if not stored/used in a way to avoid tangles. Have a look at some of the suppliers for yachting declines/mooring lines and arborists/tree surgeons for storage ideas. If it was my rig I’d get stable braid ropes, each with a loop spliced in the end. These can be linked for long recovery but carried in in separate bags to keep the weight down. They’d each have a bag, in to which it can be flaked, so it feeds out as needed. I’d also take the diameter of the rope down till it’s breaking strain was just above the straight line pull of the winch. This will make it lighter and smaller per rope.

 

[kripton]

One of the problems with polyprop is that it will chafe on itself and effectively "burn through" - this is well known in sailing circles and is therefore only used for very specific and short term purposes. I would avoid it - plus 1 for White Hart's comments

 

[landkeeper]

I would think climbing rope would be fine and actually the slight give in it will be advantageous

 

[75]

I would think climbing rope would be fine and actually the slight give in it will be advantageous

Slight give is fine over a short length. Over 50-100m you’re talking many metres of stretch. It varies by rope but dynamic stretch is 10-40%. Even static stretch under an 80kg load is about 10% (so 5m over 50m length). That’s a lot of winching before the carcass actually moves! I use it all the time for drag ropes etc as it’s easy to knot (and untie), handles well and is tough, but only in shorter lengths.