Wildlife Watcher
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Has anyone seen roe/red deer with these colour pigments? And why do fallow deer end up having many colours? I've read that true albinos are rare?
Albino/melanistic deer
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CarlW
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Many years ago, I saw a white roe buck cross the road in front of me as I drove home from stalking. I never saw him again, though. Whether he was a true albino I don't know.
White-coloured red deer are quite well documented but I have never seen one. This is generally caused by leucism rather than albinism. Apparently, it is good luck to see one!
Kind regards,
Carl
White-coloured red deer are quite well documented but I have never seen one. This is generally caused by leucism rather than albinism. Apparently, it is good luck to see one!
Kind regards,
Carl
Wildlife Watcher
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I've read about black roe in Germany, apparently they have a population of them there. Does anyone know of any books or sites with more information about this or deer biology in general?
I know of a White Stag in scotland in a deer farm. I shot my first ever hind on that farm and was told under no circumstances shoot the "White one"
Hunt-Inter
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My friend has around 200 White Reds on his fenced estate.
Dorset you get the odd white Sika, same as Roe and Muntjac too.
Fallow loads of em.
Dorset you get the odd white Sika, same as Roe and Muntjac too.
Fallow loads of em.
I believe a black Roe was shot near Morecambe a few years ago , can't remember the whole story but someone on here will have a better memory than me.
Most of the White Hart pub signs are illustrated with Red stags. Hart being a Red stag of 5 years or more according to Wikipedia. I have only seen a white Fallow.
Alan
Alan
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So what you're saying is that inbreeding is more likely to create different coloured deer?
What do you mean by Pied?
Skewbald? Piebald is usually used with just black and white I think. Skewbald is white patches over a non black coat, in horses anyway.
Pied is multicolour according to google but still usually black and white apparently.
Alan
Pied is multicolour according to google but still usually black and white apparently.
Alan
deerstalker.308
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Shot this roe buck a few years back, not albino but he had eyes that were very pale (not classic red as albino), more like white eyes you see in coloured horses
levigsp
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Yes inbreeding is what cause colour mutation in all animals. A pied is as people have said white patches on a coloured background.
levigsp
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A fantastic example of Eumelanin corruption by recessive genes causing colour dilution, that effect is not only paler fir but also iris of the eye. I would have had that set up.
Correct.
Pied is black and white, as in magpie, pied wagtail, and piebald horse.
Skewbald, in horses, is brown and white, or brown and black and white.
levigsp
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pied adjective
\ ˈpīd \
Definition of pied
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: of two or more colors in blotches also : wearing or having a parti-colored coat a pied horse And this :
Related Words for pied
mottled, checkered, spotted, motley, variegated, dappled, maculate, dotted, blotched, ridged, marked, striped, striate, tore, grooved, whelked, barred, striated, parti-colored
Skewbold is the other way, dark patches on a white background, and haraquin or Merle is dark blotches on top of lighter patches or vice versa on top of white or yellow.
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Stunning. Were they taken off the same ground and if so, how many years apart?
I stalked an estate in Galloway where I identified a pair of roe kids showing skewbald markings, the doe more so than the buck. Unfortunately the estate changed hands the following spring and so I didn't get the opportunity to see them mature (assuming they'd have stayed local after kick out time).
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Skewbold is the other way, dark patches on a white background, and haraquin or Merle is dark blotches on top of lighter patches or vice versa on top of white or yellow.
If you are going to quote a dictionary definition you might at least quote an English English one rather than the American English Merriam Webster...Collins agrees with my 55 year ago memory as a ten year old reading from local hero Pat Smythe's horse riding adventure books, Piebald = Black and White, Skewbald = White and any colour except Black.
The Collins links below give both English and the American usage which is not so black and white as the English...(see what I did there?)
Skewbald definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Skewbald definition: marked or spotted in white and any colour except black | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples
www.collinsdictionary.com
Piebald definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Piebald definition: A piebald animal has patches of black and white on it. | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples
www.collinsdictionary.com
Pied definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
Pied definition: having markings of two or more colours | Meaning, pronunciation, translations and examples
www.collinsdictionary.com
Where would internet forums be without pedantry eh?
Alan
deerstalker.308
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You mean internet fora surely?
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