REACH COMPLIANCE - List of Powders

[LeftHandGuy]

I don't want to stir anything because I really don't have a dog in this - but has anyone tried asking Edgar Bros? They are the importer after all and ought to be able to say whether they are going to continue with the RL line or not.

I am genuinely interested to see how it turns out though - since the extruded powders in the RL lineup all seem to be made in either Sweden (in the EU) or Switzerland (out of the EU but conforming to REACH anyway).

 

[Deermanagement]

I don't want to stir anything because I really don't have a dog in this - but has anyone tried asking Edgar Bros? They are the importer after all and ought to be able to say whether they are going to continue with the RL line or not.

I am genuinely interested to see how it turns out though - since the extruded powders in the RL lineup all seem to be made in either Sweden (in the EU) or Switzerland (out of the EU but conforming to REACH anyway).

Some who deals with Edgar Bros has been told by them that 17, not sure about 16 but probably likewise, were initially removed from orders but have been put back on the list and are once again being imported.

 

[Whitebeard]

The list is wrong, all Ramshot Powders are reach compliant as they are manufactured in Belgium

Blog - REACH Compliant Ramshot Reloading Powders

Henry Krank are the sole UK importer of this wide range of high quality, REACH compliant powders that continue to meet the needs of both serious and recreational shooters.

www.henrykrank.com

Kranks are the importer

Thats what i had read and based on this have developed new loads for my 17 Fireball with Ramshot Xterminator

Ian.

 

[Blobby159]

I don't want to stir anything because I really don't have a dog in this - but has anyone tried asking Edgar Bros? They are the importer after all and ought to be able to say whether they are going to continue with the RL line or not.

I am genuinely interested to see how it turns out though - since the extruded powders in the RL lineup all seem to be made in either Sweden (in the EU) or Switzerland (out of the EU but conforming to REACH anyway).

In answer to your very sensible question 'LeftHandGuy' (me too btw!) NO, not me anyway. I had thought - perhaps incorrectly now the cat's out of the bag - that SOMEONE in BASC would have reasoned that given they take our fees as a Membership Support Group, this kind of really important and useful information would be near critical to their raison d'etre.. But hey, what do I know eh?? Again, my thoughts were that NOT actually having ANY real monetary connection with any propellant, BASC would be able to give me/us a more comprehensive an broad based review of the powders available to its members and other firearm reloaders.. Given the first result that does not appear to be the case, but I have asked anyway and requested that powders from Norma, Vectan and Lovex be included too.

I will post the results - should I get any - as and when OK.!?

Regards,
Blobby159

 

[Laurie]

Exactly what I thought that is why I questioned the OP and their list as that had me well confused I actually moved to RE19 because I cannot get RE16 and that I was under the impression that it WAS REACH compliant ,

It IS Reach compliant. It is one of three recent Bofors introductions supplied to Alliant ATK and marketed under the Alliant brand name - AR-Comp, Re16, and Re23. Unlike older Reloder grades made by Bofors - Re15, 19, 22, Re25, this trio have been treated to make them temperature insensitive using what Alliant calls its trademarked TZ-technology.

AR-Comp was originally described as a treated variant of Re15, but even if it started out as this powder, it became a fair bit faster burning in the process so the pair aren't comparable. Re16 and 23 bear no relation to existing grades. Re16 and 23 were launched in the USA very recently and supply there has only just become fairly widespread and reliable. This pair have been a runaway success over there and supplies are obviously 'tight' due to demand. Edgar Brothers has only recently obtained supplies of this trio and apparently not that many tins, some larger reloading components suppliers getting them and only in small numbers. That is why it may be difficult to find them, nothing to do with Reach or any other issue.

Remember that compared to the US, the European market is small and explosives shipping costs are high. Edgars only gets one maybe two container loads a year. If and when the company runs out of a popular product it can be a long time before it gets another shipment. And that assumes its orders are actually fulfilled which isn't always the case with the more popular grades which definitely includes Re16. Prior to Reach, Edgar Brothers' unfulfilled back-orders for VarGet had got up to around 10,000lb and it was obvious was never going to be supplied even before the EU stuck its oar in.

ALL older Alliant 'Reloder' powders including Re19 are Reach compliant and are made mainly by Bofors in Sweden (which also makes all Norma powders), but with three or four grades made by Nitrochemie (the Reload Swiss people) in Switzerland.

 

[plonker]

Morning all, does anyone know if trailboss is a reach compliant powder?
I can see it on the list but not sure if it's 100% correct.
Atb Dave

 

[25 Sharps]

Thats what i had read and based on this have developed new loads for my 17 Fireball with Ramshot Xterminator

Ian.

Great powder, have used it in .223 for a while now

 

[25 Sharps]

Morning all, does anyone know if trailboss is a reach compliant powder?
I can see it on the list but not sure if it's 100% correct.
Atb Dave

No it’s definitely banned!

 

[plonker]

No it’s definitely banned!

Cheers.
Atb Dave

 

[big ears]

I am getting confused over this list , REACH compliance came in last June and Henry Krank is still listing products that are on THIS list from the OP , has anyone got a full for definite list ???? This powder crap is driving me insane as I prefer to use 1 powder for .243, 6.5 and the .270 at this rate am gonna have to use 3 different powders and at the price I might as well go back to factory

Rs62 might be worth a try

 

[Sonicdmb73]

I am getting confused over this list , REACH compliance came in last June and Henry Krank is still listing products that are on THIS list from the OP , has anyone got a full for definite list ???? This powder crap is driving me insane as I prefer to use 1 powder for .243, 6.5 and the .270 at this rate am gonna have to use 3 different powders and at the price I might as well go back to factory

I know where you’re coming from.
It doesn’t help that there’s stocks of some banned powder still (legitimately) on the shelves. I have been into various shops in Scotland, Yorkshire and Lancashire recently. Trying in part to find a particular primer.
In one they had lots of Hodgdon powder listed by Krank’s as banned. In others it’s hard to find the same powder in two subsequent trips.
I have Ramshot Tac and Wildboar the shop can’t (or won’t get any more). Vihtavuori seems to be easier to get. I haven’t seen any RS or Lovex powders locally.
Best help I have found is a comparison chart. But it is only an idea, then you have to find the stuff.

 

[25 Sharps]

I am getting confused over this list , REACH compliance came in last June and Henry Krank is still listing products that are on THIS list from the OP , has anyone got a full for definite list ???? This powder crap is driving me insane as I prefer to use 1 powder for .243, 6.5 and the .270 at this rate am gonna have to use 3 different powders and at the price I might as well go back to factory

Best thing you can do is start using viht, assuming heavier bullets in the smaller cases N160 or N560 are worth a look. Available in 3.5 kg tubs too which brings cost down and gives you consistency over a lot of rounds

 

[25 Sharps]

Best piece of advice I was given when I started reloading was ‘use european powders, American powders will always have issues with supply’

 

[Tulloch]

No 'Tulloch' I have not been in touch with that BASC fellow since. I have had similar difficulties with trying to access RL 16 (and RL 17 too for that matter)... According to my not so local main provider of all things reloading - Roading Armoury, Abridge, Essex - BOTH of these were REACH Non-Compliant and noted as such some time back and hence their lack of any in stock!? As per a note I posted here just a few hours back, I have looked online at three of my would-be suppliers in the U.K. and again found that BOTH RL16 & RL17 were not even mentioned, all three having ALLIANT Powder availability jump from RL15 over to RL19 with nothing in between these two at all. I looked into yet another online and shop RFD presence this morning and found EXACTLY the same hole in the Reloader numbers so I am guessing - pretty good guess to I feel - that they are NON- Compliant and therefore neither being imported, stocked nor identified in online shopping possibilities.

Regards,
Blobby159

I sent an email to Alliant and they advised the ALL their powder were REACH compliant but it was weird as the first email I got back from them asked me what REACH was, then about a hour later I get another one saying that all were compliant , he must have went and asked someone lol

 

[Tulloch]

Best thing you can do is start using viht, assuming heavier bullets in the smaller cases N160 or N560 are worth a look. Available in 3.5 kg tubs too which brings cost down and gives you consistency over a lot of rounds

Rs62 might be worth a try

I have been looking at the data for Vhit and I just wont get the performance I need or the speeds I would like, yes I can go higher watching for pressure tha the SAMMI guidelines as I already do that for RE 19 , but as I see it is not going to banned I will juyst stick with the RE19 for now .

big ears. I just cant find any Swiss up here , nightmare.

 

[Laurie]

I sent an email to Alliant and they advised the ALL their powder were REACH compliant but it was weird as the first email I got back from them asked me what REACH was, then about a hour later I get another one saying that all were compliant , he must have went and asked someone lol

That's because Alliant ATK thinks in terms of 'CE' certification, not Reach. Reach is only one part of 'CE' but is an addition to its earlier requirements, so everything had in effect to be recertified prior to 01.06.18. I have also been recently told by an Alliant technical employee that all of its 'Reloder' series powders are fully CE certified to current standards. That of course has to include Reach, but unlike us most Americans won't attach great weight to that as a standalone requirement .......... unless of course any product ends up losing its certification as happened to (say) ADI manufactured Hodgdon / IMR products, but crucially didn't to any Alliant equivalents.

I was also told by Edgar Brothers even before Reach came into effect that all of its existing Alliant grades are compliant (as one would expect given their European manufacturing origins) and moreover I was told late last year by the company's marketing director (now gone since Edgar's recent senior management shake-up) that given the loss of most Hodgdon and all older IMR grades, that it would be putting maximum effort into sourcing and supplying Alliant powders. The arrival of the new grades is apparently part of that effort.

I must say I'm very pleased to see this happening as not only do we now get the expanded range as per the American market, but we finally see some new products from this source, and on the basis of unbiased (ie user not gunwriter) American reports apparently excellent ones. I asked Derek Edgar the now-retired MD a couple of years back why we weren't getting the then new AR-Comp and was told that it was because Alliant ATK saw it (as the name suggests) as a small niche product in Europe and couldn't justify the expense and work of CE certifying it. Somewhat later a senior Alliant product engineer I mentioned this to rejected it utterly saying all technically suitable powders have 'CE' and that if the European distributor wasn't importing any AR-Comp, Re16 or anything else, lack of 'CE' wasn't the reason. So, who knows what the real reason was ........ the important thing is that new products are now 'CE'd and are being ordered by the importer.

 

[Blobby159]

Thank you for this fairly involved answer and your efforts involved in acquiring these answers Laurie. So if I read this correctly - and I do so hope that I have - it will mean that we in the UK should SOON be able to once again enjoy those ALLIANT Reloder products that have been really scarce of late - like RL16 & RL17, AND we may also be able to get our sticky wee mitts on the likes of AR-Comp and RL26 etc.. That will certainly compensate somewhat for the loss of certain of the HODGDON's Powders... though maybe not quite make up for us seeing no more of H- Varget eh??

Is my understanding how you see it please Laurie??

Kind Regards,
Blobby159

 

[Blobby159]

I have been looking at the data for Vhit and I just wont get the performance I need or the speeds I would like, yes I can go higher watching for pressure tha the SAMMI guidelines as I already do that for RE 19 , but as I see it is not going to banned I will juyst stick with the RE19 for now .

big ears. I just cant find any Swiss up here , nightmare.

Dependant on your caliber(?) you SHOULD find that using the N500 series will give you the velocities you are looking for 'Tulloch'.. I loaded Viht N560 in my 6.5x55 Swede under some 139 Lapua Scenars for range-work and got something like 2860fps with them and NO pressure signs, so I would assume that something like my load - 48.5gr of N560 or there abouts - should be just fine under say 140gr Nosler Partitions or 140gr Nosler Boat tail poly-tip, and either should do the deer thing competently..!!?

ATB ...... and shoot safely

 

[paul o']

Good New for those that are waiting for powders to replace the Like's of IMR 4350 . now be called IMR 4451 today i'v had a call from Edgar Brothers and they told me that they will be in the UK mid May and Will be in the shops by the end May and into June happy days .

 

[Rusty Gate]

Good New for those that are waiting for powders to replace the Like's of IMR 4350 . now be called IMR 4451 today i'v had a call from Edgar Brothers and they told me that they will be in the UK mid May and Will be in the shops by the end May and into June happy days .

Yeah its their Enduron range. The loads between the two are so close. Trying to pivk between thst & the 4955 at mo. They have a reloading link below the new powders to.