BASC responds to revocation of general licences

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BASC responds to revocation of general licences

Apr 23, 2019

BASC is advising members that Natural England (NE) is temporarily revoking three general licences in England for controlling certain wild birds from Thursday this week.

These licences (GL 04/05/06) cover 16 species of birds including several members of the crow family, Canada goose and some gulls and pigeons. There is uncertainty as to when the temporary revocation will end.

During that time, anyone needing to control one of these 16 bird species where there is no reasonable non-lethal alternative will need to apply for an individual licence. Natural England says it has simplified the process for applying for such a licence and details will be available on its gov.uk website on Thursday.

NE says this action is the first stage of a planned review of general and class licences, which will be completed this year. The change follows a legal challenge to the way the licences have been issued, which could mean users who rely on them are not acting lawfully.

Glynn Evans, BASC’s head of game and gundogs, said: “This change will clearly cause disruption and chaos and we urge people who may be affected to carefully follow the advice issued by Natural England.

“BASC is disappointed with the lack of notice from Natural England and we feel it unnecessarily puts people at risk of unwittingly falling foul of the law.

“It could not have come at a worse time for gamekeepers and other land managers, who are at a peak time for predator control to protect vulnerable wildlife and growing crops.

“We will be accepting Natural England’s offer of an urgent meeting to discuss these changes and the other issues around general licences. We will update our members at the earliest opportunity.”
 
Very, very passive response from BASC there. I want to see a more proactive and robust response not just "here's what NE are doing and we're waiting to meet with them".

Make or break for me with BASC on this one. I've always been supportive but the FAC GP fees debacle and now this means I'm very close to cancelling my membership (of 20ish years??).
 
This isn't being dealt with seriously enough. As a dedicated member since the early 2000's as a young shot and now an older trade member, I think Basc need to attack this aggressively and make this their number 1 priority. I.e. move resources and route funds to this cause until it is dealt with appropriately.
If something is not done, I may need to re- think whom I align myself with.
 
Nothing ever is ? but we will renew and hand over £££££££££££££££££ with a smile and say "well at least I have insurance" :-| but what is left for me to go and do so that I can use my shooting insurance? as i cant go crow bashing cant go decoying cant ,cant, cant ??? But maybe as long as the game birds are left alone all will become a status quo the fee paying sorry wage paying members will in due course see the light and move or just give up paying into the likes of BASC :popcorn:
 
Nothing ever is ? but we will renew and hand over £££££££££££££££££ with a smile and say "well at least I have insurance" :-| but what is left for me to go and do so that I can use my shooting insurance? as i cant go crow bashing cant go decoying cant ,cant, cant ??? But maybe as long as the game birds are left alone all will become a status quo the fee paying sorry wage paying members will in due course see the light and move or just give up paying into the likes of BASC :popcorn:
I hope your not planning on shooting any game birds on public or university held land in Wales:cuckoo:
 
Il agree with the majority, 80 quid a year membership fee could pay for so much more. I will be leaving come renewal I reckon along with the majority of members. Cant see you digging yourselves out of this one lol
 
A more robust reply from SACS

Alex Stoddart of SACS: “We are disgusted by Natural England's lack of spine on the matter of control of wild birds to prevent disease and prevent damage to crops and conservation efforts. It is clear that they have folded under pressure from celebrity-backed anti-shooting element. We are further frustrated by Natural England's total lack of engagement.
 
A more robust reply from SACS

Alex Stoddart of SACS: “We are disgusted by Natural England's lack of spine on the matter of control of wild birds to prevent disease and prevent damage to crops and conservation efforts. It is clear that they have folded under pressure from celebrity-backed anti-shooting element. We are further frustrated by Natural England's total lack of engagement.

That’s more like it! :thumb:
 
I've picked up on a point from other forums, can shooting them to be used as a food source be a work around? Pigeons more than corvids obviuosly
 
Would any of the shooting, hunting celebrities, use their names to support our cause and fight for us?
I don't know how much crop is taken by pigeons, but it must be enormous after the number which gathered this past few months on nearby farms. This must cost a fortune.
The existing general licence seems to cover everything, so I don't see why they let someone who knows so little ( but has a name) influence Natural England.
For now, why not let things go on as before, but the shooters who require a licence must apply now ?
 
Natural England have bottled it.
It's only a legal challenge, so the prorata continues up until and after the ruling.
Then and only then should NE make a decision should they lose.
Even so, there will be a time limit for when / if the licence situation changes.
As far I see it they have caved in to a half assed challenge to a piece of legislation.
I'm astounded that the BASC has not filed a counter claim to this legislation change. After all packham and co had to crowdfund the 30k needed for the legal challenge.
I'm sure the BASC has a very large slush fund and barristers on tap who are willing to take this on.
 
A more robust reply from SACS

Alex Stoddart of SACS: “We are disgusted by Natural England's lack of spine on the matter of control of wild birds to prevent disease and prevent damage to crops and conservation efforts. It is clear that they have folded under pressure from celebrity-backed anti-shooting element. We are further frustrated by Natural England's total lack of engagement.
BASC have now just put up a very similar post :-|
 
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