How much are willing to pay for your stalking ? and How far are you willing to travel?

I am more than happy too pay for my stalking, for me it is absolutely no different to paying the overall costs of any sport. the added privilege of being out in the woods or roaming lush land/farmland....... is worth every penny..... absolutely no different for paying for remote cottages in Scotland purely for the peace and isolation........ The fact that I enjoy so much using skills and experience gained over thirty years, is my way of expressing those skills and very proud of them I am...... I am the custodian of that land/habitat/wildlife..... andI am willing to pay to do it.
I am still looking for another fairly large permission in the S/E........ If you have anything please let me know....
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I won't pay for stalking as it's basically pest control. If no one paid for it, landowners would then be paying people to come shoot deer. Pest control has been commersialised and marketed as a commodity.

I'll quite happily travel to shoot deer, but lets face it, a day on pigeons can sometimes be more appealing than a long day to go stalking.
Agree, pigeon shooting is a great day out, but, some unlucky people now have to pay for that.
Good luck to the people selling pigeon shooting, but they won’t get my money.
I’m fortunate that the farmer appreciates me spending money to stop birds eating his living.
Ken.
 
There are a lot of variables with this. Land is becoming more expensive to stalk and more people are taking up deer stalking. Syndicates are ok providing they are managed and run properly and in many instances are the easiest way for an individual to obtain some stalking. However there will be rules to be adhered too and stalking when ever you want to go can be restricted by other members activities. There are some unscrupulous people who obtain land with hardly a deer on it and form a syndicate, you then find out that there are 20 others shooting the same 500 acres.
Some folk cant be asked to find their own ground or have the time to manage it properly, or its too far to travel. I often get clients who work in cities and therefore do not have access to land or the time to go often enough.

I have managed some large areas in the far northern highlands of Scotland for some 34 years now. I have always found that some stalkers from the south who visit the far north to stalk are very limited in highland stalking experience and therefore find it very hard at times to achieve results. It takes time to get to know your ground and the beasts on it and although its many a stalkers dream to hunt the highlands it can come as a bit of a shock to those who have only stalked smaller species in the southern parts of the UK. Time and the distance travelling will limit many who seek a syndicate place in the north. Also costs, accommodation, fuel, food it all adds up, coupled with a dose of bad weather over your limited time available stalking and you could end up going all that way only to blank. These are the risks one takes.

I am not knocking Tulloch on this post or anyone else, I know who Tulloch is and I know who he works with very well and they are fair guys. There will always be those that complain about costs...……………...well its been said many times before, if you cant afford it move on and put the effort into finding somewhere local to you or a cheaper syndicate cost.
 
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I am extremely lucky to have one lovely estate belonging to a well known family to stalk, which costs me nothing but time and pest control. I did once join a syndicate before I was a Keeper but it didn't suit my way of working
I try to help those who help me and this year I have a couple of younger blokes stalking with me, one of whom has no other stalking but will help with any necessary work, the other a first class stalker who can get out with me whenever I call. I find this works far better than charging for sport and is better all round for the estate and the owner. I find it much
better when I know exactly who is where and nobody stalks unless I am on the place.
 
I am more than happy too pay for my stalking, for me it is absolutely no different to paying the overall costs of any sport. the added privilege of being out in the woods or roaming lush land/farmland....... is worth every penny..... absolutely no different for paying for remote cottages in Scotland purely for the peace and isolation........ The fact that I enjoy so much using skills and experience gained over thirty years, is my way of expressing those skills and very proud of them I am...... I am the custodian of that land/habitat/wildlife..... andI am willing to pay to do it.
I am still looking for another fairly large permission in the S/E........ If you have anything please let me know....
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DEAR MANAGEMENT (2001)
LANTRA HAD
GAME PROCESSING
EFAW+F
Etc, Etc.
With all those qualifications you’d have thought they’d be throwing permissions at you !
 
Being a complete new comer to the scene I probably can’t comment but I’ve been lucky to tag along with my friends dad who is retired and a very kean stalker he has taken me under his wing teaching me the dos and dont’s of stalking I admit I’ve still lots to learn but his help has been greatly accepted setting me out on the right path in stalking.I have a little bit of land with roe in five minute from the house of my own that he I might add put me onto that borders his land so we shoot that a bit for free I might add.But I’m always looking for more and spent a whole day yesterday asking farmers with no success in fact some where pretty rude when I had the cheek to even ask them but I suppose that’s just farmers.Ive looked at syndicated places and am almost certain to take a spot four hours from home just to get my own proper piece of land Esther than rely on my pal.Ok this means travelling and perhaps spending a couple of days there a month to make it worthwhile but I don’t care I am absolutely hooked on the sport.Some people are lucky to be able to get free staling but believe me it isn’t easy so most like me will have to spend there hard earned money on a spot and if your happy to do so then who cares as long as your scratching the itch and putting a bit of meat in the freezer
 
I cant understand why people moan about lease prices. About the only thing there will never be any more of is land, we have a finite amount of it and we live on an increasingly crowded little island. Land owners know the value of land, they know the value of the deer and of the venison - land is an asset and people want their assets to make them a return.

Land and leases in the south are going to be more expensive than in Scotland because of the density of population and less availability of wide open spaces. My syndicate down south costs 4x more than the one I'm in in Scotland for example. I love them both, I think they are both great value and it would break my heart to have to give up either of them.

I think you've also got to consider the cost of a lease relative to paid outings - Lets say you get 2000 acres for £2000 a year in your syndicate, the land has roe, munty and some transient fallow, you can go whenever you want, theres no trophy fees or anything and you can take the occasional carcass home to fill the freezer. That works out as £167 a month. If you were to do paid outing you'd be paying probably £80 for a morning, maybe a shot or trophy fee as well plus paying for the venison - even if you only did one outing a month and shot one deer you'd probably spend more than £167.

Now ok with paid outings you're going to have a stalker with you who knows the ground and where to look for deer, you're going to have access to extraction vehicles, maybe some accomodation, food, tea, coffee, an estate rifle and so on, and most of that might not come with a syndicate. I'm not saying paid stalking is a rip off or not worth the money as it absolutely is (and all the paid stalking I have done has been excellent), but I've seen people griping about £1200 for a years lease on roe and red - thats £100 a month for goodness sake! Equally some people simply dont have the time or inclination to take on a lease and manage it full time - thats entirely up to them, but then you cant really moan about the costs for paid outings either!

I have heard of some people who have thousands of acres and pay nothing for access to the ground bar the odd bit of venison. Equally I know of someone paying about £7k a year for 500 acres with roe and munty, though this is in Surrey and right next to his house!

I think its an absolute pleasure and delight to have land of your own to go stalking on. If a lease costs more than you want to or can afford to pay then walk on by, and the same applies with paid outings.
 
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Pay around £900 for 4 days with Sikamalc but that is my complete costs, malc, b&b, pub food etc.
4 days at home costs me maybe £50 but hey it"s what I want to do.
 
How much are people willing to pay? Go & buy your own land & manage it for game. I'm sure some would have done so in the UK, just like in many other countries. That is how much some are willing to pay.
Plenty of people travel around the world to hunt & are happy to pay the trophy & associated guide fees.
 
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I've never paid for stalking but I wouldn't rule it out. I have a couple of farms where I go, about 2000 acres in all, roe ground. I am also currently managing roe on a 300ish acre forestry block for a factoring company. I would pay for some red stalking if i could keep the carcasses.

I think the Scottish deer industry is missing a massive trick. Heres why. I have some friends who want to go stalking, one from down south and two from Scandinavia. We're not interested in trophies, we just want some shooting, cull stags, hinds, whatever. Reds, Sika or Fallow, we don't want roe as we all already have roe stalking. We want an american style hunting experience: 4 of us go into the wilderness and stay in a bothy or tent, yurt whatever, we stay for a few days. We scope the ground ourselves, identify what we're going to shoot and where and when, we shoot it, drag it and generally deal with it all ourselves. We sit around a campfire and drink a few beers have a laugh and enjoy being away from the family for a while. Then we go home.

Now each or us would be willing to pay around £250 for this experience, so thats £1k for the estate for just 1 week. I reckon there's a huge market for this type of hunting, I have a friend who was selling 'wilderness hunting experiences' in the highlands recently, he had loads of interest but has now lost that particular bit of ground and had to stop. An estate with a cull of say 50 hinds and 50 stags could theoretically let 20 weeks at 1000 per week to groups of 4 or 5 and make way more than they would from a syndicate. Or by offering the 'traditional highland stalking experience' where they have keepers wages and equipment to pay for. Surely it would be far more cost effective to simply rent out the ground for days or weeks at a time.

We have been asking around to try and find this kind of experience and its surprisingly hard to find. My friends and I find the traditional 'organised fun' type of stalking experience an huge turn off. Don't get me wrong I have huge respect for the highland keepers and yes they will be far better at getting in front of deer than 4 guys who don't know the ground, but for me outsourcing all the skill of the experience to someone else is pointless. I mean with some of these highland stalks the client just pulls the trigger and thats it! For me pulling the trigger is the least fun part of the whole experience. If that was the only stalking available I'd give it up.

So if you have a nice bit of wild ground where people can buy a week and maybe 2 hind tags, or a cull stag tag I think you'll do very well out of it. I'm convinced we're not the only four hunters who would jump at the chance of that kind of hunting.

Thats exactly the kind of hunting most of the Finns would want to do. Well maybe we would drink vodka by the fire instead of beer. I think I could sell out a few trips with that kind of experience, so let me know if you can find the ground or it!
 
Thats exactly the kind of hunting most of the Finns would want to do. Well maybe we would drink vodka by the fire instead of beer. I think I could sell out a few trips with that kind of experience, so let me know if you can find the ground or it!
Exactly there's whole load of people out there who really want to connect with the environment, rather than follow some tweed up a hill, pull a trigger and then head back to the lodge in the argo for a G&T. If i find the right bit of ground i'll definitely let you know.
 
I don’t have my own ground any longer however I have to pay for stalking to be able to do it. I’m a freezer filler so if I was to join a syndicate then I would be looking to keep what I shoot. I don’t like the idea of paying £1500 plus travel expenses to the ground and accommodation if it’s that far away to just keep 6 deer a year. I’m not much good with maths but even I can see that it’s not worth it.
 
I’m not a member of a syndicate anymore, Ive just dropped out of one as I had no time to go, it was 90 minutes each way and i didn’t feel I was putting in the time I should controlling the fallow, so would sooner it went to someone who could, that was £1,000 per annum beautiful ground. Ive taken on my own ground to do with what I want which is 15 minutes from home a lot smaller area but the same money. I have other ground I don’t pay for where the estate keep the venison and some ground where I shoot for a woodland company I don’t pay for this and I keep the venison. Along with CWD ground owned by a client where I have to control them so don’t pay and keep the venison.
 
I paid every year 2500 and got 3000 acres to shoot whenever I want and no limit to how many deer you can shoot and take home.....
 
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