New Gun Advice

If it is mainly for clays I would go and have a lesson or two and shoot a few clays at a clay club in order to try the club guns. Our local clay ground has O/U and a semi auto for first timers and youngsters to try because of the reduced recoil.

Second hand shotguns are relatively cheap so you would probably be better to have the ideal one for each discipline rather than a compromise for one.

Alan
 
I use an Armsan 2+1 for clays and rough shooting. It’s another decent Turkish semi-auto. I find it very pointable and it’s been passed around the shoot a bit as a spare gun when needed. It’s been completely reliable and everyone shot pretty well with it. As it happens, I’ve upgraded to a Benelli which I like and shoot slightly better with, but it’s four times the price. If you’re interested, I’m up for selling the Armsan because it’s barely used these days.
Do you have a spec and some pictures?
 
Morning,

I had a Hatsan escort as i was starting to do a bit of fowling, you either love them or you hate them. I unfortunately hate them! I took it out on the pigeons the first day I got it and it was jamming every few shots and was beginning to get frustrating, at the time I was using game bore clear pigeons which should of cycled fine through it. In the end I was so peed off I had to go home. When I stripped it to clean it I found a crack in the weld on the fore end which received the blowback and spring etc. I was gob smacked and needless to say I took it back that day in disgust!

Never again. I now have a Winchester SX3 my mate has a browning maxis both cracking semi autos.

Besides in my humble opinion and as others have stated double barrel for clays is safer and tidier. If you do go for semi auto don’t be one of them a holes that sprays their shells all over the floor at the clay grounds and doesn’t pick them up!( I’m not suggesting you are by the way!)
 
We have certificates, not licences, for shotguns and other firearms. In fact the words "licence" and "licensing" do not appear in the relevant legislation. This is important, it is not just playing with words. The word "licence" means being granted permission whereas in the UK we do not need permission, possession of firearms is a right, subject to us meeting certain conditions, and we have recourse to the courts if it is refused. ( From Section 27 of the Firearms Act "A firearm certificate shall be granted by the chief officer of police . . " - not may be, but shall be )

So less talk of licences and licensing, please
In England the word License is very evident.
I have to apply to Firearms Licensing and Explosives for forms to fill in/out and if successful I am issued a Certificate.
Regards,Ken.
 
In England the word License is very evident.
I have to apply to Firearms Licensing and Explosives for forms to fill in/out and if successful I am issued a Certificate.
Regards,Ken.

It may be very evident in the terms bandied about by police and civil service departments, but it is conspicuously absent in the legislation actually passed by Parliament.
 
Thank you for your correction, I can see you are a fountain of knowledge and probably fun in small doses. I have a feeling you might work in health and safety or maybe even quality control, you are a credit to your profession.

I too have feelings about other SD contributors' employment; from courtesy, I keep them to myself.
 
We have certificates, not licences, for shotguns and other firearms. In fact the words "licence" and "licensing" do not appear in the relevant legislation. This is important, it is not just playing with words. The word "licence" means being granted permission whereas in the UK we do not need permission, possession of firearms is a right, subject to us meeting certain conditions, and we have recourse to the courts if it is refused. ( From Section 27 of the Firearms Act "A firearm certificate shall be granted by the chief officer of police . . " - not may be, but shall be )

So less talk of licences and licensing, please

In England the word License is very evident.
I have to apply to Firearms Licensing and Explosives for forms to fill in/out and if successful I am issued a Certificate.
Regards,Ken.

Thank you both. Good points to bear in mind.

Alan
 
Basically, it seems as though you are endeavouring to use your experience with firearms in the military with shotguns on moving targets. There are, of course similarities but the discipline is totally different. Don't go down the route of getting a shotgun that looks like a rifle. It simply won't be as good at clays. Shooting shotguns is much less about aiming and more about muscle memory and peripheral vision. You need a gun that is suited to the job and suited to you. One that you can swing onto a target and follow through. One that is easier to judge lead, so sights become nearly immaterial. There's a reason that the vast majority of people who shoot clays use an over and under gun.

My advice would be to handle as many different over and under guns as you can. Put them to your shoulder and simulate moving across the sky tracking a clay pigeon. As Atlantoo says, a couple of try sessions at a clay ground can be very enlightening. My son was in the military and took up clay shooting (and some game shooting). Initially he would stand and try to align the barrels, the front sight and the clay together. Completely not realising that the target was moving and if he shot directly at it, the clay wouldn't be there when the shot arrived! What's more, he took a few seconds aligning up the shot and by the time he pulled the trigger, the clay was all but out of range anyway.

It's interesting to note that fighter pilots in WW2 were given shotguns and clay traps to practice shooting in front of a target rather than at it, initially an alien concept. Occasionally an ex-RAF shotgun comes up for sale.

The other advantage of an over and under is that it can be used for pretty much anything you might get into later, shotgun shooting-wise. So, clays, vermin control, wildfowling, game shooting, etc. They are, for most people their go-to shotgun. If you want to continue the type of shooting you might have done in the military, then you could consider becoming a member of a range and get a rifle. But that's a whole other story.

Don't be put off by people arguing over such things as licences/certificates. They might seem like pompous asses (and maybe some are) but they are for the most part endeavouring to be helpful.
 
Basically, it seems as though you are endeavouring to use your experience with firearms in the military with shotguns on moving targets. There are, of course similarities but the discipline is totally different. Don't go down the route of getting a shotgun that looks like a rifle. It simply won't be as good at clays. Shooting shotguns is much less about aiming and more about muscle memory and peripheral vision. You need a gun that is suited to the job and suited to you. One that you can swing onto a target and follow through. One that is easier to judge lead, so sights become nearly immaterial. There's a reason that the vast majority of people who shoot clays use an over and under gun.

My advice would be to handle as many different over and under guns as you can. Put them to your shoulder and simulate moving across the sky tracking a clay pigeon. As Atlantoo says, a couple of try sessions at a clay ground can be very enlightening. My son was in the military and took up clay shooting (and some game shooting). Initially he would stand and try to align the barrels, the front sight and the clay together. Completely not realising that the target was moving and if he shot directly at it, the clay wouldn't be there when the shot arrived! What's more, he took a few seconds aligning up the shot and by the time he pulled the trigger, the clay was all but out of range anyway.

It's interesting to note that fighter pilots in WW2 were given shotguns and clay traps to practice shooting in front of a target rather than at it, initially an alien concept. Occasionally an ex-RAF shotgun comes up for sale.

The other advantage of an over and under is that it can be used for pretty much anything you might get into later, shotgun shooting-wise. So, clays, vermin control, wildfowling, game shooting, etc. They are, for most people their go-to shotgun. If you want to continue the type of shooting you might have done in the military, then you could consider becoming a member of a range and get a rifle. But that's a whole other story.

Don't be put off by people arguing over such things as licences/certificates. They might seem like pompous asses (and maybe some are) but they are for the most part endeavouring to be helpful.
Thank you Pedro, great advice!
 
I would go for an over and under no question, but the most important thing is that it fits you, you can have the most beautiful and expensive gun in the world but you will shoot better with a cheap gun that fits.
I have a multi choke and used to swap chokes and cartridges shot sizes for different stands, for years now I use quarter and half and seven and halves for them all.
If you do go for a semi by a flag for the breach when you get the gun clay shooters tend not to like a semi the can't see is empty
Good fortune with you choice and purchase. Tom
 
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