If they are in the country illegally they shouldn't be out shopping.If they hadn't come to the country illegally they wouldn't have been there to get shot,and they may not have ****e d the shooter off in the first place.But at the end of the day you cannot legislate for nutcasesYeah.... but like, don’t shoot them whilst they’re shopping.
Clearly one mans common sense is another mans descent into Fascism
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We can talk about it as much as we want but it has nothing to do with us we should keep our noses out.A friend of mine out there has guns that belonged to his father and grandfather and even great grandfather.They are not in record anywhere.If they repeal the 2nd amendment do you think Americans would just hand their guns over or even register them because in their eyes and quite rightly so,registration is the first step towards confiscation. they will just get stashed away at best, and at worst civil war.and the real gun people will fight and They will say this is why we had the 2nd amendment in the first place.
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Bavarianbrit
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We will be visiting in the El Paso area around 14th Nov after visiting the big Tulsa show so will add our names into the condolence book.
Such a shame RIP, I guess atrocity news fatigue will as usual stop the reporting of it after a few days.
Such a shame RIP, I guess atrocity news fatigue will as usual stop the reporting of it after a few days.
ileso
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the firepower in question is no more heavy than any assortment of firearms available in EUrope. just with different furniture.
not to mention, that just as in EUROPE or any country for that matter, that there is a wider assortment of weapons available on the black market.
ileso
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a sniper rifle... like the rem 700 in .308? ...Yes, of course ‘sniper rifles’ are well below the anti’s radar!
Reggie Yates, not a footballer a TV presenter, saw it too it was interesting
Any firearm which can be owned in America can be purchased In many European countries. The firearm is not the problem the people are.
There is, was and probably always will be those who are so insignificant in their own eyes that they do something like this to be 'remembered'. I think someone is trying to prevent them being named to avoid copycat killings .
John Lennon sadly was a victim of an American nutcase but shooting one celebrity was enough for him.
I think the perp is being charged under terrorism law' so he can be quickly executed.
I have to say, in this case, I agree.
No names, summary execution and an unmarked grave.
John Lennon sadly was a victim of an American nutcase but shooting one celebrity was enough for him.
I think the perp is being charged under terrorism law' so he can be quickly executed.
I have to say, in this case, I agree.
No names, summary execution and an unmarked grave.
Rusty Gate
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Yeah, that's the one I'm crap with names & don't do lot's of telly. It was a good honest insight to be fair.
Rusty Gate
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An extreme minority are & capable of sourcing items if they are legal to own in that country or not. If they can't get gun's they will just use other licenced items.... like a car.
1000m...308...mmm. Does the tapered scope rail look like it could wedge open a door? I am guessing a .308 drops the better part of 2m over 1000m. And in anything but still conditions you surely run the risk of peppering the targets separated by barn doors. G
enuine question. I cannot see how a .308 can deliver repeatable long range results. Or am I missing something?
Yes - but almost always under a license from the relevant police authority where a reason to possess can be demonstrated and the applicant can’t possess an unlimited number usually limited to one. These weapons are usually restricted and licensed under very strict criteria. Also high capacity magazines are not allowed. Again just look at shootings in Canada compared to theUSA. There is a proper licensing system in Canada and not a free for all as in the USA. Pro
A Guy Out West
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By November, there will likely have been another half dozen of these shootings. The Gilroy shooting seems like a long time ago, what was it 2 weeks ago?
kenbro
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Don’t quote me on this, but, I think the mid ish range trajectory for a 308 Win is around 28 feet when shooting at 1,000 yds.
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Oh my gosh, you drank a super big glass of the cool aid. What you stated in your post is far from reality. The overwhelming majority of white Americans don't hate other ethnic groups, to suggest that just shows how little you know abut us and how much you have been duped by untrue news. Trump does say a lot of dumb things and his personal life is nothing to brag about, but he is not a raciest and he is not a hater. We have legal ways to immigrate to this country and if a person wants to immigrate here, complete the forms and wait your turn. Just because you live within walking distance of our boarder does not mean that you can just walk in. The illegal aliens that cut in front of others that are doing it the right way just corrupts the whole system. If you watch the news and see the people who want to immigrate to the US, you will see a lot of single men with nothing more than the clothes on their backs. What that says to me is "I'm here, take care of me". Every country has a duty and a right to know what foreign people are coming in. I lived on the TX. boarder and I can assure you that illegal aliens are a big problem , have been for quite a long while. They sneak in, don't speak the language, don't have any money, don't have an education, have no skills, have no place to stay, have no food, have nothing. Then the crimes begin. How about we send all the "illegal immigrants" to your country? What would you do with them? Blaming Trump and the NRA for mass shooting is energy directed in the wrong place. What makes a person think that grabbing a gun and shooting innocent people is a good idea, is the issue. How did that person get to that point? How could a person be able to inflect that kind of damage and be ok with it? There has always been political decisiveness and racial problems, there is something that has been added that is the catalyst. Media driven violence in all formats is the key, I believe. If you grow up in a society in which you spend most of your time listening to hate filled music, play violent video games, and violent films, what might you become?
I think people continue to focus on the wrong issue.
I agree with Guy out West, the real question is what is it that makes people think that carrying out a mass killing is going to solve their problems? America seems to suffer from this disproportionately, but they aren't alone, it's just more visible due to the media mantra.
Modern society is a pressure cooker; social media, always on, constant advertising with "influencers" telling you you're not good enough, break down of the nucleic family, all factors to eroding mental health.
If there weren't guns it would be cars or buses or trucks, like in London and Marseille and Copenhagen and....
It's generally not wise to criticise other democracies issues or democratically elected government - not like we've got it right here.
I agree with Guy out West, the real question is what is it that makes people think that carrying out a mass killing is going to solve their problems? America seems to suffer from this disproportionately, but they aren't alone, it's just more visible due to the media mantra.
Modern society is a pressure cooker; social media, always on, constant advertising with "influencers" telling you you're not good enough, break down of the nucleic family, all factors to eroding mental health.
If there weren't guns it would be cars or buses or trucks, like in London and Marseille and Copenhagen and....
It's generally not wise to criticise other democracies issues or democratically elected government - not like we've got it right here.
Regardless of the accuracy or otherwise of the points raised in the rest of your post, this, above, is the issue over the whole of the Western world. When I was a kid there was nothing worse than pacman to lead you down the road to violence, and we amused ourselves fairly harmlessly. Now, people live in a cyberworld where the dividing line between fact and fiction is warped beyond recognition, and gratuitous violence is just a game. Committing a mass atrocity is merely an extension of the artificial life these people are increasingly sucked into. I don't think they even recognise the difference.
Whilst I somewhat agree with what you're saying, you must concede that the ease by which one can procure a semi automatic rifle in the USA means that this issue perpetuates itself into massacres much more readily than it would do if there was better firearms legislation.
invest the money on mental health. It'll pay better dividends than gun control all day long.
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