mchughcb
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Degrowing is already taking place with negative interest rates. What does one do with surplus capital when the banks offer negative rates?
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Degrowing is already taking place with negative interest rates. What does one do with surplus capital when the banks offer negative rates?
oowee
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Bank is only good for liquidity. Cash is being devalued by the day through inflation, not a good thing to have too much of it
reloader54
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Meanwhile, back at the Bat Cave (read BASC HQ), Bruce Wayne serves notice on Robin.
Care to guess who's gonna slip into the Batmobile's passenger seat on Monday?
K
Care to guess who's gonna slip into the Batmobile's passenger seat on Monday?
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I can argue that young people being interested and active in politics is a bad thing easily. Any young person on becoming interested in politics or the world is necessarily ignorant, by definition. The first thing an ignorant person should do is get educated well on the subject. The second thing they should do is get some experience. Deciding to avoid education and proceed directly to activism, is not only stupid but counterproductive. They don't understand the issues, they don't understand what they're demanding, they don't understand the consequences and they don't know how it compares to the alternatives in effect and damage.
That bit about the 4 meals rule....it's 9 meals from anarchy, and in a world that produces far too much food, and with constantly improving infrastructure has increasingly less relevance in those societies where we can keep the idiots and children away from running the asylum. In fact, the best way to increase those risks is to listen to the children and crackpots who are protesting with so much vigour and so little brain.
Market crashes and WW1 were not started by small things, they were caused by lengthy and massive buildups over years. London riots don't even belong on the same page and are insignificant and irrelevant.
The idea that we should accept that we must cut emissions while non-Western countries get to pollute more because they're developing later than us is also brainless. It depends on arguing that because we fueled our industrial revolution on coal, they ought to be allowed to as well. Firstly, it wasn't known that burning coal caused global harm when we industrialised, it is now. Developing countries are "developing" in economic terms, not mental terms. It's absurd and effectively racist to argue that because their urban and industrial development might be at the level we reached in say 1870, that they are ignorant of any common scientific knowledge acquired in the past 150 years. Once it becomes known that climate change is an urgent and existential threat, then they have the same responsibility to cut emissions as everyone else. It's actually easier for them to do it because they have the choice, rather than a mass of heavily embedded fossil fuel and old infrastructure.
Emotion is not a substitute for intelligence, reason and expertise. The sooner we stamp out the idea that it is, the sooner we can return to civilisation advancing rather than regressing as it currently is.
How can anyone argue that young people being interested and active in politics and the world be a bad thing.
“She’s a puppet” - not a lot of evidence of that...she’s criticised fairly evenly across political spheres. She’s openly said she will donate her €25k award money to climate change causes...would be pretty damning for her to pocket that now.
“Climate change is natural” - well yeah! Just not at the rate we are experiencing. Usually the fastest climate change has been caused by something really quiet **** happening as in huge chunks of rocks pounding into the Gulf of Mexico. Or volcanoes. Even then the mass extinctions that followed wasn’t immediate taking some 40,000 years at last estimate. The issue as I see it is reducing our impact can only give us more wiggle room for if and when one of these catastrophic events happen. And society is far more fragile than the survival of the human species. Think of market crashes, London riots, the start of ww1 all started by seemingly small events. Surely we have all heard the 4 meals rule...used by the Roman Empire through to Mi5. We are all only 4 meals away from anarchy (I’m confident members of this forum would have a few days/weeks worth of meals in the freezer or still in the woods) but for the majority it’s a day and a breakfast missed before unrest.
This bring us back to climate change generally making weather less predictable and more extreme caused by the collapse or fluctuations in weather systems (el Nino, jet stream, polar vortices etc) less predictable weather adds to the risk of crop failures worldwide. Yes we could breed more resistant varieties etc but that takes time and has its limit....fingers crossed for the variety that can stand in 6inches of water and a dust bowl in two different years.
“But what about China and India” - Yes developing countries are contributing to emissions. But as world leaders we should be leading the world right...trying to bring them up not a race to the bottom. We had our years of dirty coal when nothing else was viable or consequences known. now we do and how to circumnavigate. Green energy needs to be more accountable than is at present but this can only drive us forward.
“Build a solar shield”- You get the funding and technology all lined up for that! those who don’t pay in do we cut a hole in that bit? Also space junk, solar winds, potential hacking? Bit fanciful don’t you think. I am the world biggest fan of a bodge job but only if it’s easier than doing a proper job!!!
Even if you still don’t believe man made climate change is a things....for us in the uk surely the reduction in reliance upon imported fuel stuffs is good for fuel security? (Yes North Sea oil but that hasn’t been financially viable for years hence immense subsidies. But yes should keep it going as a matter of security - something I feel should have been better managed with our steel works for same reasons.
A bunch of MPS (male pale stale) hating on a 16 year old girl for wanting to live in a better world. Not a good look. Would it make a difference if she was two years older and had a Y chromosome I wonder?
I like her and wish her all my support. I hope she goes far and enacts some change.
I can argue that young people being interested and active in politics is a bad thing easily. Any young person on becoming interested in politics or the world is necessarily ignorant, by definition. The first thing an ignorant person should do is get educated well on the subject. The second thing they should do is get some experience. Deciding to avoid education and proceed directly to activism, is not only stupid but counterproductive. They don't understand the issues, they don't understand what they're demanding, they don't understand the consequences and they don't know how it compares to the alternatives in effect and damage.
That bit about the 4 meals rule....it's 9 meals from anarchy, and in a world that produces far too much food, and with constantly improving infrastructure has increasingly less relevance in those societies where we can keep the idiots and children away from running the asylum. In fact, the best way to increase those risks is to listen to the children and crackpots who are protesting with so much vigour and so little brain.
Market crashes and WW1 were not started by small things, they were caused by lengthy and massive buildups over years. London riots don't even belong on the same page and are insignificant and irrelevant.
The idea that we should accept that we must cut emissions while non-Western countries get to pollute more because they're developing later than us is also brainless. It depends on arguing that because we fueled our industrial revolution on coal, they ought to be allowed to as well. Firstly, it wasn't known that burning coal caused global harm when we industrialised, it is now. Developing countries are "developing" in economic terms, not mental terms. It's absurd and effectively racist to argue that because their urban and industrial development might be at the level we reached in say 1870, that they are ignorant of any common scientific knowledge acquired in the past 150 years. Once it becomes known that climate change is an urgent and existential threat, then they have the same responsibility to cut emissions as everyone else. It's actually easier for them to do it because they have the choice, rather than a mass of heavily embedded fossil fuel and old infrastructure.
Emotion is not a substitute for intelligence, reason and expertise. The sooner we stamp out the idea that it is, the sooner we can return to civilisation advancing rather than regressing as it currently is.
And one of the reasons for that is that we in western countries are encouraging them to do so in developing countries.
There's a lot of anger on this thread and no less to question but may we start with asking if SD members get quite so agitated when a black kid from Peckham turns his back on education and a conventional childhood but with zero agenda or vision for the future?
K
Yes. It is at least as depressing that black, white and Asian kids from all over the country do that. The essential difference however is that they don't have the arrogance to claim any form of superiority and seek to impose their views on everybody else.
Then that is one of the things we should really be talking about. Where aren't the activists when you need them?
No. Guilt-ridden, self-loathing white liberals do it for them on their behalf.
I find it refreshing. Makes a change from older and more educated folk with an agenda lecturing me.
In this case you frankly don't need a full and rounded education to determine we are very successfully destroying this plant.
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mchughcb
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reloader54
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I find it refreshing. Makes a change from older and more educated folk with an agenda lecturing me.
In this case you frankly don't need a full and rounded education to determine we are very successfully destroying this plant.
K
there ya go, added a pic for ya,and remember ,, puff,puff, pass.
Everyone knows what the problem is. The danger is that they're sufficiently ignorant and shallow to be unable to discern the right way to mitigate or solve it.
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