BASC Council - changing the tone
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That was not a bad account,
Reading the scores of Kes's BASC post is like watching master mind ...
26 points in his specialist subject, only passing on 2
General knowledge 5 points, more passes than a game of rugby...
On SD many people take people out for their first stalk, which in a number of cases there first deer...
People give stuff away, chuck cash in to charities...
In a very few cases rip the arse out of people,
Some travel to other countries for a trip....
Know wonder the BASC staff post very little knowing the 25 pounder is dialed in on their location..
Tim.243
jimbo1984
Well-Known Member
But I thought kes’s comments were “ odious basc bashing “ how can you possibly agree ?
Tim, you do have a problem with me don't you. The dislike is more important than being correct but at least you seem to have seen that this needs doing - why dont you, of such vast practical experience, largesse in taking people stalking, giving away equipment and money to charities do the job yourself you also seem quite good at criticism from behind your key board persona.
If one is correct in one's criticism, are you saying that one should avoid any criticism ?
Jimmy,
Thanks for the comments - I hope this is sufficient reply for you at this point.
The job I am being asked to do for everyone, not many would do -time required, confrontation, little, if any, support within BASC. A poisoned chalice accurately sums this up - how would you feel, if willing to commit to the above, some people seek beforehand to undermine the effort involved or me personally. I have no doubt I will live with vilification if I was appointed to BASC Council - part of what I am being asked to do.
As for your point B, trying to defend actions which I find (and others also) in large part indefensible is a problem they are paid to solve. I dont do this with personal animosity unless someone falsely calls me e.g. racist. To commit the time and effort I am proposing to do is not to be countenanced lightly - yet David BASC whom I know personally, is mostly (not quite always) a gentleman, when responding - he also rightly has limits when being criticised, he also is passionate about what he does.
We often see things from different perspectives but there is no need for abuse - If you can find a post of mine where I have abused a member of BASC gratuitously I would be surprised. However, now I have mentioned it you can rely on Tim.243 trying to find one.
I have been criticised for posting a photograph of a member of staff which is freely available on the internet. BASC provide photos of all their staff as in the most recent exposure. People see what they want to see but I think I was reasonably correct in the face of a label of being racist.
So my dilemma is, do I do what I would like to do with all the travelling time committed and criticism I can expect or do I just forget it and leave this site ? The more criticism I receive personally, the less likely I am to commit time for the common cause. I have had no comments on BASC accounts which I asked for and it has become clear that help and support will be not what I can expect, so, what I would do as a Council Member would be largely because it needs doing. Comments like those of Liveonce are simple and very supportive - in fact what I had hoped for - no more.
I hope this brief summary helps you to see things from my perspective - and perhaps refrain from terms like "spit the idea of running for Council out of the window" as though my perspective on all this is casual ?
Hang on.....a few weeks ago you stated " you couldn't here me" with me on your ignore list....
Toby ( Border) was coming from Norway to mine for 5 days stalking but has had to cancel....
(JVR) Johan is landing on the 31st from SA for a 11 day trip stalking, duck, London trips etc...
(Oooowe) Grant is stopping off for a day to break up a long trip back to his from a stalking trip....
(Marine Jim ) is driving up for 2 days stalking foxing...
Another SD member is coming for a driven day and lunch...
(Paul O) comes wildfowling foxing and pigeon shooting....
(Fish Boy) came up for a lesson with his gun to see about fit from my friend Peter Theobold while the rest of SD sat back and typed answers to the extreme....
Toby got his first fallow....
First Fox...Know First Fallow....
After his first fox the other night we saw Muntjac feeding on the edge of the field, keen to get his first deer we met up at 8 with a brief about what where and how I expect him to do. Light breeze in out face was the key, I looked up the headland for our quarry with the bins and he tapped me...
www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk
Jack shot well
The Penny Dropped....
I have been struggling with this lads timing of pigeons for quite a while, however he brought a gun that fits him also opened up the chokes... A very slow start but when the bailer did a few laps around the field things picked up! Very pleasing to see birds fall out of the sky as he was pushing...
www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk
Charity money
Giving back to those who gave so much...
A picture of a group of Royal Marine Veteran's after a cheque presentation, it was taken just after luncheon which is put on by Peter Theobald and his wife Fran. The cheque was for £112.00 raised by my wildfowling club, last year the club was looking for a new dog training area, I asked Peter...
www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk
Charity money
Cheque Presentation
As per the title of the thread, a cheque from monies raised was presented to the Chelmsford branch Royal Marines Association this lunch time. Our wildfowling club collect subs from our dog training evenings from use of land donated by Mr and Mrs P Theobold. A couple of members attended as...
www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk
Guess I do sit back and work the key board....however the leg work comes first....
Please put me back on you ignore list.......
Tim.243
Hang on.....a few weeks ago you stated " you couldn't here me" with me on your ignore list....
Toby ( Border) was coming from Norway to mine for 5 days stalking but has had to cancel....
(JVR) Johan is landing on the 31st from SA for a 11 day trip stalking, duck, London trips etc...
(Oooowe) Grant is stopping off for a day to break up a long trip back to his from a stalking trip....
(Marine Jim ) is driving up for 2 days stalking foxing...
Another SD member is coming for a driven day and lunch...
(Paul O) comes wildfowling foxing and pigeon shooting....
(Fish Boy) came up for a lesson with his gun to see about fit from my friend Peter Theobold while the rest of SD sat back and typed answers to the extreme....
Toby got his first fallow....
First Fox...Know First Fallow....
After his first fox the other night we saw Muntjac feeding on the edge of the field, keen to get his first deer we met up at 8 with a brief about what where and how I expect him to do. Light breeze in out face was the key, I looked up the headland for our quarry with the bins and he tapped me...
Jack shot well
The Penny Dropped....
I have been struggling with this lads timing of pigeons for quite a while, however he brought a gun that fits him also opened up the chokes... A very slow start but when the bailer did a few laps around the field things picked up! Very pleasing to see birds fall out of the sky as he was pushing...
Charity money
Giving back to those who gave so much...
A picture of a group of Royal Marine Veteran's after a cheque presentation, it was taken just after luncheon which is put on by Peter Theobald and his wife Fran. The cheque was for £112.00 raised by my wildfowling club, last year the club was looking for a new dog training area, I asked Peter...
Charity money
Cheque Presentation
As per the title of the thread, a cheque from monies raised was presented to the Chelmsford branch Royal Marines Association this lunch time. Our wildfowling club collect subs from our dog training evenings from use of land donated by Mr and Mrs P Theobold. A couple of members attended as...
Guess I do sit back and work the key board....however the leg work comes first....
Please put me back on you ignore list.......
Tim.243
Done - as requested
jimmy milnes
Well-Known Member
@kes I rather suspect that, with this one statement, you have hit the nail squarely on the head.
I mentioned previously, whether in this thread or another (I cannot remember), that the biggest problem with BASC is the general lethargy and laziness amongst the members.
BASC, with it's elections and council, is based on a democratic model and as such suffers from exactly the same malaise as our government for example. Almost universally people forget that "membership" of a democratic institution does not just bring "rights"; more often, and more importantly, it brings "responsibility". Something that most nowadays do not want to consider.
There are countless threads on forums bemoaning the lack of action on one issue or another, but how many of those complaining are of the opinion that "I have paid subs, my responsibility is discharged, my organization of choice should be fighting this"? Have they written to their MP's, written to newspapers pointing out biased or sensationalist reporting, complained to authorities, countered emotive articles and reporting with scientific fact? I would hazard that the number of those that have is so small as to be essentially non-existent. An organization, no matter how big, is merely "one voice" and as such can easily be marginalized. One letter to a newspaper "on behalf of a membership of 100k" versus "100k letters to a newspaper", one letter representing 100k to parliament versus 100k letters to parliament. Which do you think would be more effective.
It is with sadness that I realize most of the "support" pledged on this thread will extend to voting for you in the election and go no further.
Whilst I do genuinely wish you all the best my overwhelming desire is for the shooting population as a whole to start taking a greater responsibility. Rather that the voice of one organization, I want to hear one hundred thousand voices say "this is not acceptable".
Until such time our greatest enemy will remain not the anti-shooting crowd, but ourselves...
sikamalc
Administrator
Kes and Carlw I commend you for trying to make a difference with BASC and putting KES forward as a candidate. In this respect you have my full support. However I think you will be trying to enter an area where only the chosen few go. I am afraid in my opinion BASC lost its vision of what it stands for many moons ago, too many Horray Henrys. Don't ask, I have met them over the years.
Cumbrian 1
Well-Known Member
I have no issues with "Hooray Henrys" and don't see class as an issue I've enough self confidence to take people as I find them, however I do think the public school boy persona preaching to the masses grates on peoples nerves, a more down to earth chap such as Dave the plumber providing he is articulate enough would do a much better job IMHO.
reloader54
Well-Known Member
I don't think your view of "hooray henrys" is the issue, rather their perception of us. "dave the plumber" may well get a great reception from the guy in the street, but will he be regarded as an equal by the old boys elite committee??
It should follow, if you don't live in the "real" world, you shouldn't be dictating how others should conduct themselves within it.
Cumbrian 1
Well-Known Member
Define real world, just because someone went to a posh private school doesn't mean they don't do a full days work, many of them are astute business men who have founded highly successful companies. I just think that someone who is articulate, level headed that appeals to a wider audience base would be far more successful than a person who is judged to be a "toff" because it is irrelevant what they say because average Joe has already decided against him.
For info, I have written to BASC CEO asking if I would be prevented from joining - in view of my criticism or whether I would be subsequently removed from membership under the BASC Constitution, were I to be elected to Council - no point in wasting an election for the'gang' as Carl puts it.
If Cumbrian's comment is directed at who he would prefer to see represent him then fine - happy to defer to 'Dave the Plumber' but do let me know so he can stand.
I am keeping Carl W up to date and will happily answer any queries, anyone who actually wants me to stand raises, personally.
Be clear, I am not 'Dave the Plumber' but I am well educated, a former engineering manager, degree qualified and beyond 3 professional qualifications post grad in Engineering and a former member of the Institute of Management but dont suffer fools gladly. Your choice folks.
If confirmed able to stand and asked to stand I will, naturally publish a note of the other stuff.
Cheers 'Gang'.
If Cumbrian's comment is directed at who he would prefer to see represent him then fine - happy to defer to 'Dave the Plumber' but do let me know so he can stand.
I am keeping Carl W up to date and will happily answer any queries, anyone who actually wants me to stand raises, personally.
Be clear, I am not 'Dave the Plumber' but I am well educated, a former engineering manager, degree qualified and beyond 3 professional qualifications post grad in Engineering and a former member of the Institute of Management but dont suffer fools gladly. Your choice folks.
If confirmed able to stand and asked to stand I will, naturally publish a note of the other stuff.
Cheers 'Gang'.
Cumbrian 1
Well-Known Member
Reading your posts I don't think you'll ever be accused of being a toff, providing you can get the message across clearly and concisely without rubbing people up the wrong way then you might well be the man for the job. Does being a former engineering manager mean that you can change a tap? I've never met you, you might well be a complete bell end but good luck.
I have to wonder why no BASC staff are engaging KES with reply's
A few field pictures/write up's also engaging with members questions other than changing tap washers would add some depth.....unless the depth of paper work gets in the way....
Tim.243
A few field pictures/write up's also engaging with members questions other than changing tap washers would add some depth.....unless the depth of paper work gets in the way....
Tim.243
I do my own plumbing and carpentry and farm and conservation work - and you also might be a complete bell-end, since rubbing BASC the wrong way is what I have been doing literally for years - reading previous posts might give an insight into the history.
I accept your obvious prejudice about people who are qualified and maybe not practical, or 'down to earth' - or were even involved in shooting since an early age but you don't mention that.
If managing some 150 staff and successfully delivering an annual budget of some £150 - £200 million does not qualify me to get a message across clearly and concisely then maybe washers, olives and taps are a better bet.
Finally thanks for the 'good luck' but what will matter is votes - are you in BASC and willing to vote for a non-plumber?
Bear in mind it may not be me but it will be for what might be termed change from 'rubbing the wrong way'.
Toff I am not however I would class myself as a gentleman so don't get the two confused.
I wonder what criteria you used in previous voting to avoid the current impasse ?
reloader54
Well-Known Member
I have worked for people who were born into landed gentry,[still do] and were schooled at Eton, millionaires all of them by the time they were pulled off the matrons tit. most have no fecking idea what any ones life is like other than their own, but some, a few, really do want to know, and I have the privilege of being a friend to some of those few, and were I not to have met one of those people some four decades ago my future such as it was looked pretty bleak, and we learned from each other and both became better people, It ain't just about breeding,Eton education, and being successful in business, you have to really want to know of those outside the secular "toffs" elite world, only then can you know "the real world" outside of your own protected "bubble".
not all care that much, our current politicos and many of those that came before them, gen pop are just pawns in a game, who frustratingly think that they know whats best for themselves.
much the same problems exist with basc, the members for the most part know of the problems and in some cases the required action, however the "upper echelons" know best eh?
and here we are,
no feckin' brexit, and the end of shooting and privately held guns drawing ever closer.
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