Shotgun theft
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Frank Homes
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But they can't be driven away!
F
On the balance of probability, I would argue that a locked car is a perfectly reasonable secure place.
I have owned a vehicle for the last 50 years and in all that time I have suffered one robbery/smashed window (when it was parked in a Heathrow car park)...so when my vehicles have been left unattended on the other 18,250 days there has been no problem...that is a pretty low risk.
Alan
Frank Homes
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Presuming then that you haven't suffered a burglary in the same period of time, according to that logic, if you lived alone in a house you could dispense with a gun cabinet and prop it up in a corner out of sight, or if there were other people resident you could just hide it?
F
F
If that was a reply to me...
I don't know if I follow the logic of what you are saying, but when guns were just propped up in a corner beside the Rayburn...theft of them was rare and certainly not inevitable.
The logic in your statement I find confusing is that out of sight in a locked vehicle is considered appropriate in the guidance on transport quoted above, and a locked cabinet is part of the HO guidance for the permanent storage...the idea is you comply with them both as appropriate.
But I get the impression that you do not agree that 18,250 : 1 are good enough odds for you to consider reasonably secure.
Is anything totally secure? No. The hazard of ne'erdowell attack anywhere is much the same. High security or otherwise...ask at any Jeweller's, Bank or Post Office.
The likelihood, or risk of it happening is what is being considered. If I have >18k experiences to indicate that a locked car is a reasonably safe place...how many break-ins do I need to counter that view?
By that criteria it is reasonable to suppose that a locked car is a reasonable precaution during the safe transport of firearms. If it was not normally safe, there would not be any point in putting any form of lock on a car in the first place.
Interesting that the guidance quoted earlier stresses the length of time the vehicle is left unattended...If a villain was targeting/tracking a firearm owner, I would have thought time left unattended is the least likely factor to increase the risk.
Alan
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Sonicdmb73
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While the chances of revocation have been discussed. I don’t recall seeing what I would consider a very good next step.
Get on to a Solicitor who specialises in Firearms Law. Don’t wait till after he’s been asked down the station to discuss it.
In fact don’t “volunteer” to discuss anything at the station. Without getting some legal advice and or representation.
ie cover one’s backside
Get on to a Solicitor who specialises in Firearms Law. Don’t wait till after he’s been asked down the station to discuss it.
In fact don’t “volunteer” to discuss anything at the station. Without getting some legal advice and or representation.
ie cover one’s backside
EMcC
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Isn't this where BASC has a chance to shine, well, at least do the job they are paid for.
It would be if the victim was a member of BASC. Hopefully it's not going to come to that anyway. However David @ About Us | Shooting Law Ltd, Shotgun & Firearms Certificate Appeals will be able to advise if it does.
That is just it isn't it? He is the victim of thieves, and the presumption on here by some is that he will be lucky if he is not punished for it!
Doubly victimised.
Alan
Not my presumption Alan.
I don't think that he should be punished at all.
I know you don't...sorry I didn't mean to imply that....I was just responding to, and in agreement with, your use of the word victim.
Alan
Frank Homes
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My post that the car could be stolen was in response to Heym's about leaving a firearm in a car on a drive, which assumes that the gun is not in use and the owner is not travelling with it. You responded by endorsing Heym's view so i presume you too thought this acceptable. The logic of this seems clear hence my analogy. Of course if you are travelling with a firearm and have to leave it in a locked car for any length of time, then that is acceptable because you have done as much as is practicable in the circumstances. However storing a firearm in a car overnight on ones drive is not because when that thief strikes and either steals the contents of the car or steals the car itself, you are in breach of condition 4 and likely to have your certificate revoked. The rest of your response is just confusing.
F
Maybe that is part of our apparent confusion/cross purposes...I did not assume that the hypothetical private drive referred to by @Heym SR20 was beside the gun owner's home, nor that the owner was not travelling. I thought he just meant that it was not parked in a public place.
Sorry about that.
Alan
Cumbrian 1
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My two pence worth.
Most car breakins are opportunistic, in and out as fast as possible. Stereos are integral so they are looking predominantly for cash or anything that can be easily stolen and resold.
I use a Napier cable and lock and thread the cable through the trigger guard whilst in the bag and then many times around the gun slip then around something secure like the front seat slider and then place jackets over it.
Yes it can be stolen but it would take tools and time.
Most car breakins are opportunistic, in and out as fast as possible. Stereos are integral so they are looking predominantly for cash or anything that can be easily stolen and resold.
I use a Napier cable and lock and thread the cable through the trigger guard whilst in the bag and then many times around the gun slip then around something secure like the front seat slider and then place jackets over it.
Yes it can be stolen but it would take tools and time.
Richard Parsons
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Update today. Friend has been advised by insurer to put other guns with RFD and wait to hear from police. Makes you look good I think!!
jimbo1984
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Unsure as to why he’d have to take his firearms to rfd if they’re securely stored at his home ??
Hornet
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Or indeed his father in law's cabinet.
CarlW
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Presumably the insurer is anticipating a revocation?
jimbo1984
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I would think so ......
Essexsussex
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Exactly
I have refrained from commenting as I wasn’t personally involved but all (or both to be accurate) the incidents of stolen guns from cars that I have heard have resulted in no action from the police other than trying to recover the shotgun (all shotguns incidentally). On one occasion an English sbs was recovered from some den of iniquity and no further comment from the police.
Only so much one can do after that it is unfortunate but not the certificate holders fault.
Also I wonder if the investigating police are the FEOs anyway - knowing how joined up the public sector can be the FEO may not know until renewal. And also interesting whether the investigating officer knows of the implications of removing / not removing the forend.
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