developing a load - start with col or powder weight?

stuey

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About to start my load development for my tikka t3 6.5 x 55.

Wondering how people begin their load development?

I have:

Sierra Pro Hunters 120gn
N160 Powder
cci large rifle primers or federal

Do people choose a fixed powder charge and then alter the COL in order to find the sweet spot or choose a fixed col and alter the powder weight to find the sweet spot.

I have some very accurate norma ammo loaded with the nosler partition bullet. Was thinking of measuring the length of the ammo to the ogive with a hexagonal comparator, and trying to replicate the length to the ogive with the Sierra ProHunters, and then working on the optimum powder weight.

It is hunting ammo, so if I can match the 1/2 inch grouping I get with the Norma ammo, I will be pleased.

cheers

Stu
 
Most common practice is to find a velocity that suits the round by using increasing charges of powder then fine tuning by adjusting c.o.l.
 
Do you have an OAL guage? Good to check how far off the lands you are and let that determine the COL(provided you still have a safe amount of the bullet actually in the cartridge of course and it fits in your mag ok).
 
I use the ladder test method:

http://www.6mmbr.com/laddertest.html

Doesn't have to be done at 1000yds but the longer the better. I find 300yds is about best because you can see the results without wind playing too much of a part in them.

What's your recommendation on how best to identify which bullet made which hole on the target? I have tried using 5 small targets all on the same level and work my way across from left to right. Then go forward and inspect and mark up the target.

Thanks JCS
 
I tend to follow Mr Lee's advice and start with a mid powder load and alter the COAL. After finding the sweetspot, then fine-tune powder charge.

It would be poor advice, I think, to start reloading without knowing the length to the lands of your chamber with the particular bullet you have chosen to use, and how far your bullet is seated from them.

ft
 
I would start my load development .005" off the lands with a specific powder and work it in increasing loads from there till you get a tight group. Then when you have a tight group try to make it tighter by increasing and decreasing the distance from bullet O-Give to lands.

As for powder choices there are many, but this is something worth looking at >>> http://www.robsoft.nu/databaser_en/laddata/loads.asp?MainID=4 or this >>>http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

If you were using Berger bullets I would contact Walt Berger direct if I were you and get his help. He helped me with some of my load development and I have had really good results.
 
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I tend to follow Mr Lee's advice and start with a mid powder load and alter the COAL. After finding the sweetspot, then fine-tune powder charge.

It would be poor advice, I think, to start reloading without knowing the length to the lands of your chamber with the particular bullet you have chosen to use, and how far your bullet is seated from them.

ft

Totally agree with Flytie, buy an OAL guage.
 
Cheers guys.

Got a hexagonal bullet comparator on order, and was going to load a finger tight bullet into a case to determine length to the lands. Would an oal gauge be better and if so any recommendations???

Cheers

Sty
 
Cheers guys.

Got a hexagonal bullet comparator on order, and was going to load a finger tight bullet into a case to determine length to the lands. Would an oal gauge be better and if so any recommendations???

Cheers

Sty

Stuey, I use a Stoney point COAL gauge, and the comparator that they sell too. You can buy the inserts for different calibres to fit it, and it clamps on your calipers, dead simple and easy to use.

ft
 
Historically, the focus of load development has been on velocity. There is/was lots of lip-service given to "accuracy", but when the first thing one looks for is a max velocity "that gives the smallest groups", the truth is that velocity is "first" before precision ("accuracy"). It is my belief that this search for velocity is a hang-over from the days of transition from black powder and cordite to smokeless. (Let's not argue whether it is or not, that's just my opinion.) That search for the fastest velocity caused the "normal" process of "working up a load" to start with the hottest load a rifle would shoot without showing "signs" of excessive pressure, THEN "fiddling" with charge HOPING a "good group" could be found without having to "drop" the velocity "too far".

I, having grown up on the likes of Jack O'Connor, worshiped at the Speed Uber Alles altar. That was among the many 'things' in my life that I got taught that was wrong, and among those I had to relearn through first-hand experience. I've spent the better part of 40 years looking for "predictors" that would allow me to develop loads quickly and inexpensively. The "ladder test" is a good method that indirectly addresses the fundamentals of some of ballistics - internal, external, and terminal.

What I have come to is application of Optimal Barrel Timing theory Optimal Barrel Time Paper to locate a "good" exit time for a bullet and load. Once that timing node is found, I fine tune the load with fine incremental adjustments to seating depth. Velocity/charge is a non-issue EXCEPT for making the selection of which timing node to use.

That said, I will add that there are people that hate Optimal Barrel timing theory so much that they are practically willing to start a fist-fight whenever someone suggests its use. Personally, I "keep" things that work for me, and discard those things that don't. OBT "works" for me, and in fact has allowed me to assist people that are a great distance from me in developing excellent loads with a minimum of time, money and reloading resources spent. THAT's part of what "works for me" means to me.

Let me explain a little why I consider charge to be relatively insignificant. If one selects ANY reasonable charge, OBT (and my personal experience) suggest (strongly) that excellent precision can be had simply by adjusting the COAL (seating depths). The range of seating depths that should be considered are substantially larger than most people TALK about using. The range within which it is almost a certainty that a precision 'sweetspot' will be found is from "right on" the lands, to off the lands by as much as 0.150" and sometimes even more. Most people TALK about adjusting seating depth in increments of 0.005" and some even say 0.001" (which frankly is absurd in terms of repeatability). In fact, 0.005" is the absolute realistic minimum increment unless you are using precision reloading dies (and I mean REALLY precision), AND have a precision benchrest rifle.

If history is indication, I'll get told how "wrong" I am about this. If you (the editorial "you") are so inclined to "correct" me, spare us both. I have no 'dog in this fight'. I couldn't care less whether ANYONE might choose to use the methods I have chosen to use. As I said, the methods I use are those that "work" for me, not ones I have READ work for someone else. "Working" for me means getting me to tight little groups as quickly as possible with the mininum expenditure of powder, bullets, primers, and money. I find that adjusting seating depth accomplishes that better than adjusting charge.

ATB
Paul
 
Paul, I use the ladder charge method myself, also had a chuckle thinking about the cartoon depiction of Elmer firing his rifle like a stick of liqourice!:D(optimal barrel timing?), P.S., remind me to put a lot of distance between us if I ever come back as a member of a hunted species!:cool:... Steve.
 
I typically choose a mid-range charge and work the COL first then come back to powder.
As mentioned a Stoney Point OAL is a good tool, if a little pricey for something you use once per rifle.

Incidentally, on my .308 Tikka I found that the magazine was the practical limit to OAL rather than the distance to lands. Afterall, no point loading something that won't fit in the mag... each rifle is different though.
 
If you are going to use the longer bullets such as the Berger VLD's I doubt you will find any mags that can take them due to their length. They seem to be for single bullet loading at a time. However I find them to be very accurate so I don't really mind because they are that accurate I only normally need 1 shot.;)
 
You beat me to it!!
Ditto and Ditto.

I also use it on each loaded cartridge if I'm in the load work-up process. There are sufficient differences in ogival length between bullets (hence my comment about 0.005" being the realistic limit of precision with respect to seating depth), that I measure each bullet to make sure that small differences between bullets don't lead to COLs that are outside the increment I am trying to achieve.

Regards,
Paul
 
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What's your recommendation on how best to identify which bullet made which hole on the target? I have tried using 5 small targets all on the same level and work my way across from left to right. Then go forward and inspect and mark up the target.

Thanks JCS

If done at 300yds on a clear sheet of paper you can usually spot your shots with a good spotting scope. Failling this I ask a mate to write A B C D etc next to each shot from the butts. I don't like the colouring in method.
 
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