Who the should any of us vote for?

[stubear]

Just want to say that I've checked the Lib Dem manifesto and there is not one word in it about guns or firearms. The only mention fieldsports is this:

"legislate to ban the importing of hunting trophies where the hunting does not contribute to environmental protection."

Given that property conducted hunting meets that condition and demonstrably so (although I'm mindful that they haven't stated how this would be assessed), I can live with that.

Basically, it's not on their radar.

Maybe I'm wrong then, but the Lib Dems dont have a sterling record of honouring anything very much.

Student tuition fees anyone? That was something they said specifically WAS on their radar, they ran on a manifesto of "we will not increase students fees" and no sooner had they got a whiff of power they agreed with Cameron to treble them.

 

[Orion]

Maybe I'm wrong then, but the Lib Dems dont have a sterling record of honouring anything very much.

Student tuition fees anyone? That was something they said specifically WAS on their radar, they ran on a manifesto of "we will not increase students fees" and no sooner had they got a whiff of power they agreed with Cameron to treble them.

Yep, totally trustworthy.

 

[sauer]

They are ALL lying bar stewards

 

[reloader54]

They are ALL lying bar stewards

"Bingo,,, we have a winner"

 

[big ears]

ask all parties when they come knocking, “I own a rifle and shoot, does your party support me in continuing to be able to enjoy doing this?”
Then vote on their response.

takes the agenda away from the tired Brexit discussion

BE

 

[reloader54]

ask all parties when they come knocking, “I own a rifle and shoot, does your party support me in continuing to be able to enjoy doing this?”
Then vote on their response.

takes the agenda away from the tired Brexit discussion

BE

usually what happens is you just get to the bit where you say "I Own a Rifle,, and they run away,,?

 

[kenbro]

ask all parties when they come knocking, “I own a rifle and shoot, does your party support me in continuing to be able to enjoy doing this?”
Then vote on their response.

takes the agenda away from the tired Brexit discussion

BE

Better to ask where their party stands on shooting sports BEFORE telling them you’re a shooting enthusiast.
Regards,Ken.

 

[deeangeo]

Westminster MP's ... Liars, Thieves and Cheats. All of them.
Wouldn't pi$$ on any of them if they were on fire

 

[Chasey]

I was out last night celebrating the Beaujolais Run in a lovely little French restaurant in N16. We were the guests of a good friend who's seriously wealthy and on the table around us were 12 people with the combined wealth of a small country. So imagine my surprise when the conversation turned to the election and the general consensus was the only possable vote was a vote for Labour????

There was an expert there in political history from Burnell university who outlined the scenario in such a clear cut & simple way I was quite surprised no one else had picked up on it. Put simply he said, we cannot simply revoke article 50 and expect the problems to go away. So the Lib Dem concept of doing so is not workable. We can not do a deal with the EU as we are not in a position to make any demands past what we have already achieved and the Irish back stop situation is simply impossible to fix. The alternative No Deal option is disastrous, so not worth contemplating. So the only workable solution is another tweak of the existing deal, explain it to the public with its pros and cons fully exposed and put it to another referendum. We take the crap deal and risk posable melt down in Ireland and Scotland along with likely collapse of GB as we know it, or we remain in the EU.

The hard line Brexit voters will never be dissuaded. They'd happily see the country burn to ash than accept failure, but IF a majority of people accepted the only way forward was to remain in the EU, then some form of democracy will have been served and disaster obverted. Alternatively, if they vote for the deal, we risk massive internal turmoil but at least economic meltdown will have been overacted and when the reality of our suffering sinks in, the govt can simply say, that's what you voted for and we did it.

Of course they could have done this on the last referendum but lets remember no one thought wed be mad enough to vote leave so they were not prepared for the result. The reality of a bad deal or no deal was so awful they have been playing expectations management ever since

 

[reloader54]

not even into the second paragraph and already talking about untold wealth and riches.
lost interest very quickly after that point, I hazard a guess I'm not unique in that opinion..

 

[sh1kar]

I was out last night celebrating the Beaujolais Run in a lovely little French restaurant in N16. We were the guests of a good friend who's seriously wealthy and on the table around us were 12 people with the combined wealth of a small country. So imagine my surprise when the conversation turned to the election and the general consensus was the only possable vote was a vote for Labour????

There was an expert there in political history from Burnell university who outlined the scenario in such a clear cut & simple way I was quite surprised no one else had picked up on it. Put simply he said, we cannot simply revoke article 50 and expect the problems to go away. So the Lib Dem concept of doing so is not workable. We can not do a deal with the EU as we are not in a position to make any demands past what we have already achieved and the Irish back stop situation is simply impossible to fix. The alternative No Deal option is disastrous, so not worth contemplating. So the only workable solution is another tweak of the existing deal, explain it to the public with its pros and cons fully exposed and put it to another referendum. We take the crap deal and risk posable melt down in Ireland and Scotland along with likely collapse of GB as we know it, or we remain in the EU.

The hard line Brexit voters will never be dissuaded. They'd happily see the country burn to ash than accept failure, but IF a majority of people accepted the only way forward was to remain in the EU, then some form of democracy will have been served and disaster obverted. Alternatively, if they vote for the deal, we risk massive internal turmoil but at least economic meltdown will have been overacted and when the reality of our suffering sinks in, the govt can simply say, that's what you voted for and we did it.

Of course they could have done this on the last referendum but lets remember no one thought wed be mad enough to vote leave so they were not prepared for the result. The reality of a bad deal or no deal was so awful they have been playing expectations management ever since

No The simple reality is that the vast majority of parliament are remainers and from the getgo treated Brexit as a negative outcome to be mitigated against rather than a clear mandate and an opportunity to be grasped with the enthusiasm they should demonstrate as our elected public servants. For goddess sake, as an example Yvette Coopers constituency voted 73% OUT and just look how she has behaved

S

 

[CarlW]

not even into the second paragraph and already talking about untold wealth and riches.
lost interest very quickly after that point, I hazard a guess I'm not unique in that opinion..

You ain't.

 

[oowee]

I was out last night celebrating the Beaujolais Run in a lovely little French restaurant in N16. We were the guests of a good friend who's seriously wealthy and on the table around us were 12 people with the combined wealth of a small country. So imagine my surprise when the conversation turned to the election and the general consensus was the only possable vote was a vote for Labour????

There was an expert there in political history from Burnell university who outlined the scenario in such a clear cut & simple way I was quite surprised no one else had picked up on it. Put simply he said, we cannot simply revoke article 50 and expect the problems to go away. So the Lib Dem concept of doing so is not workable. We can not do a deal with the EU as we are not in a position to make any demands past what we have already achieved and the Irish back stop situation is simply impossible to fix. The alternative No Deal option is disastrous, so not worth contemplating. So the only workable solution is another tweak of the existing deal, explain it to the public with its pros and cons fully exposed and put it to another referendum. We take the crap deal and risk posable melt down in Ireland and Scotland along with likely collapse of GB as we know it, or we remain in the EU.

The hard line Brexit voters will never be dissuaded. They'd happily see the country burn to ash than accept failure, but IF a majority of people accepted the only way forward was to remain in the EU, then some form of democracy will have been served and disaster obverted. Alternatively, if they vote for the deal, we risk massive internal turmoil but at least economic meltdown will have been overacted and when the reality of our suffering sinks in, the govt can simply say, that's what you voted for and we did it.

Of course they could have done this on the last referendum but lets remember no one thought wed be mad enough to vote leave so they were not prepared for the result. The reality of a bad deal or no deal was so awful they have been playing expectations management ever since

As business continues to drift away and UK product becomes toxic for EU export content rules, then it not hard to imagine that many voting for Brexit deny ever having been part of it.
There is another way Customs Union and maintain alignment but leave the EU. It is BRINO to the hard liners but it's definitely out. No doubt part of the Labour party 6 month deal being considered.

 

[Chasey]

not even into the second paragraph and already talking about untold wealth and riches.
lost interest very quickly after that point, I hazard a guess I'm not unique in that opinion..

If id said I was down the caff in Maidstone every one said they were voting Labour it would hardly be a surprise now would it.
Their positions as wealthy business people was required to put into context my surprise at their voting decision.
What surprised me more was the clear line of thought behind the decision.

 

[jimbo1984]

If id said I was down the caff in Maidstone every one said they were voting Labour it would hardly be a surprise now would it.
Their positions as wealthy business people was required to put into context my surprise at their voting decision.
What surprised me more was the clear line of thought behind the decision.

What surprises me is we still haven’t seen the paperwork for the loose supervision radio contact clause .......

 

[jimmy milnes]

No The simple reality is that the vast majority of parliament are remainers and from the getgo treated Brexit as a negative outcome to be mitigated against rather than a clear mandate and an opportunity to be grasped with the enthusiasm they should demonstrate as our elected public servants. For goddess sake, as an example Yvette Coopers constituency voted 73% OUT and just look how she has behaved

S

Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford area is estimated to have voted by a 69.3% – 30.7% margin to Leave the EU.
I'm in her constituency and she isn't at all well thought of trust me

 

[bowji john]

With you all the way with the Beaujolais Run but less enthused thereafter

However

There is a far greater risk than even the EU mill stone - the Corbyn Commies (CoCos) and a disaffected youth

I could live with the EU for the moment if it curtails Corbyn's ambitions as I think the CoCo (nuts) represent a truly catastrophic change

If I don't like where a EU owned UK is going I can sell up and ship out

There will be nothing to sell if the CoCos get their trotters on power

 

[sh1kar]

Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford area is estimated to have voted by a 69.3% – 30.7% margin to Leave the EU.
I'm in her constituency and she isn't at all well thought of trust me

Make sure she gets voted out!

S

 

[Klenchblaize]

Corbyn's Labour looks appealing:

1. Tax all those rich bar stewards
2. No Uni fees for my Daughter
3. Free donkey jacket for every flying picket

K

 

[User00035]

Westminster MP's ... Liars, Thieves and Cheats. All of them.
Wouldn't pi$$ on any of them if they were on fire

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That's all well and good, but not voting at all won't make it go away, you just hand control of it to those who like it just fine the way it is.
We can change things by voting, albeit grindingly slowly. But we also change things also by who we choose to vote against. If Labour takes a hammering in this election either the moderates (if they can find any with enough backbone to stand upright) will retake control of the party, or it will split and reform leaving the Marxists floundering in the political shallows as a fringe protest group which is where they belong. Either way, that will be the end of the extreme hard left in mainstream politics (well in England anyway).

Turning your back on the whole system just surrenders democracy to the fanatics. All you can do is vote for the least worse option and keep reminding them that your vote is only on loan. It can be rescinded at any time.