Who the should any of us vote for?
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I am simple staggered how many people seem to have zero understanding of economics. Not a single policy announced by Labour in their manifesto stands up to a moments scrutiny. It reads from start to finish as a purist Bolivarian horror story.
If Labour formed a government and enacted even a fraction of their policies, there would be cataclysmic capital flight within a week and our economy would collapse. Yet there are apparently millions of people with not the faintest understanding of why this is so. It is truly frightening.
The school curriculum needs a radical overhaul so that the next generation actually understand how economics works. You shouldn't have to rely on the experience of people who lived through catastrophes to prevent them happening again.
No one needs to have lived through the holocaust to understand that is was one of the most horrific events in human history that must never be repeated. The same should be true of the economic holocaust that has been wrought by the crazy ideology of the far left everywhere and every time it has been tried.
Ignore the manifesto promises, they are not etched in stone! Ignore the impact on shooting, there are bigger issues at stake...
So better to consider the broad brush strokes of party politics : conservatives for sustained economic growth based on capitalist principles, or labour for unbridled credit card spending ? Rest of parties are possibly irrelevant.
I’ve no problem with welfare payments for the genuine needy when the chips are down, ....but I completely baulk against those people who think their families chips and soft drink diets should continually be paid for by someone else ...without any effort on their part or input to the wider community.....
and yes, I do live in the south east.
So better to consider the broad brush strokes of party politics : conservatives for sustained economic growth based on capitalist principles, or labour for unbridled credit card spending ? Rest of parties are possibly irrelevant.
I’ve no problem with welfare payments for the genuine needy when the chips are down, ....but I completely baulk against those people who think their families chips and soft drink diets should continually be paid for by someone else ...without any effort on their part or input to the wider community.....
and yes, I do live in the south east.
jimmy milnes
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I was getting my hair cut a week ago and she asked how I was going to vote "she's a mate of mine so wasn't too personal of a question" after I'd told her she said she's asking everyone "to which I called her a nosey bugger" and she recons that all the old pit labour men have told her they're no way voting Labour this time because of her back stabbing on the referendum vote
Lets be a bit candid about this, if leaving the EU was never a viable option then our parliamentarians should have had sufficient input and control to ensure,
1, a viable and agreed set of accounts was produced annually,
2. any suggestion of federalism was banished,
3. immigration control exemptions, sufficient for our domestic interests was capable of being put in place,
4. a referendum should not have been arranged until a thorough case for remaining and leaving was set out by a third 'party' with no direct pecuniary interest in the outcome.
5. The rest of Europe treated us as at least equals and better as a net contributor with equal weight with other net contributors to determine the direction of the EU
6. A drunkard should not have been elected president.
7. the commission should have had to be given legitimacy by voting,
8. the size of the necessary bureaucracy, staffing and related budgets had been approved individually by net contributors.
The EU is, and was, a vehicle for manipulation by the few of the many.
The die is cast and cannot be 're-thought'
Beaujolais often is tack.
Being in a restaurant with the super rich for the 'Beaujolais run', rather more detracts from the true philanthropic value of the assessment of the EU, than supporting it.
I am beginning to hate the smarmy face of Macron and the 'French establishment' in general and have nothing but contempt for the honesty and supposed 'integrity' of purpose of the whole EU project.
Vive la difference - interesting to note that the best sparkling wines made by the 'methode champenoise' are made in the UK. The most expensive are made in France.
1, a viable and agreed set of accounts was produced annually,
2. any suggestion of federalism was banished,
3. immigration control exemptions, sufficient for our domestic interests was capable of being put in place,
4. a referendum should not have been arranged until a thorough case for remaining and leaving was set out by a third 'party' with no direct pecuniary interest in the outcome.
5. The rest of Europe treated us as at least equals and better as a net contributor with equal weight with other net contributors to determine the direction of the EU
6. A drunkard should not have been elected president.
7. the commission should have had to be given legitimacy by voting,
8. the size of the necessary bureaucracy, staffing and related budgets had been approved individually by net contributors.
The EU is, and was, a vehicle for manipulation by the few of the many.
The die is cast and cannot be 're-thought'
Beaujolais often is tack.
Being in a restaurant with the super rich for the 'Beaujolais run', rather more detracts from the true philanthropic value of the assessment of the EU, than supporting it.
I am beginning to hate the smarmy face of Macron and the 'French establishment' in general and have nothing but contempt for the honesty and supposed 'integrity' of purpose of the whole EU project.
Vive la difference - interesting to note that the best sparkling wines made by the 'methode champenoise' are made in the UK. The most expensive are made in France.
deeangeo
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Ha well. you're quite right...but I didn't say I wouldn't vote. But even the 'least worse' option leaves me somewhat daunted. Our MP is a Tory whip, but useless is the hat he wears!
There isn't even an independent to vote for, and neither of the Lab/LibDems would I even consider..Brexit pulled their prospective candidate.
Chasey
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I have a modest understanding of Economics
My economics are pretty tory based trickle down economy sort of thing. I am a big fan of Jean Baptiest Colbert and Adam Smith, but despite that, id be interested for you to briefly outline any single labour policy which would have this disastrous effect of which you speak and why you believe it would??
Your blanket generalisation of the failure of their plans seems a little sensationalist IMHO
Historicly, business has always done well in the initial years of a Labour government as the purse strings on public spending are thrown away.
The enormous public debt and crap service that will accrue to privatising multiple industries
Just as it is now with the NHS trying to serve a growing and ageing population
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I'll have a five pound bet with anybody on here that's in work. That the day after the Election, they'll be going out to work. 
Highlandsjohn
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If we vote in our house and at the moment that is debatable, we (four votes) have agreed to vote snp in order to expedite an independent Scotland and bring about a new look Scottish Government.After the last few years of Westminster betrayal and utter bull chit makes it an easier choice.Time has come to get off our knees,nothing left to lose ..Both sides of the border are a mess, ours is still manageable..
Both sides of the border are a mess, ours is still manageable..
oowee
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I just imagine for some a dream ticket. A no deal Brexit, Scotland independent using a crashed £. A border between UK and Scotland. Tory politics at it's best.If we vote in our house and at the moment that is debatable, we (four votes) have agreed to vote snp in order to expedite an independent Scotland and bring about a new look Scottish Government.After the last few years of Westminster betrayal and utter bull chit makes it an easier choice.Time has come to get off our knees,nothing left to lose ..
Highlandsjohn
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You forgot to add and no more labour governments in the remainder of the UK..
oowee
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Should be good all round for exports.
After a disastrous few years under the Tory Brexit, a remodeled labour centrist party under Starmer, takes us back in who knows?
I love it Comrade McDonnel is going to strip Chasey and his mates of their wealth. And the first thing he will do is stop them leaving the country, and then rob them.
Come on jezza nail them rich buggers and give it to us poor pensioners. Almost wants to make me vote labour.☻☻☻☻☻
oowee
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Steady on
If we vote in our house and at the moment that is debatable, we (four votes) have agreed to vote snp in order to expedite an independent Scotland and bring about a new look Scottish Government.After the last few years of Westminster betrayal and utter bull chit makes it an easier choice.Time has come to get off our knees,nothing left to lose ..
Sorry John, but it won't be manageable. You just haven't got the bread and to go back into Europe will cost. You are up against the dreaded Central Belt, SNP rules ok. Scots folk are much better off than elderly folk down here.
If Scotland imagines it is remotely self-sufficient to be self-governed then fine but the case was based on assuming all NS oil belonged to Scotland. That asset is rapidly diminishing and was intially grossly overstated, assuming that is the rest of the UK would just rollover and accept it
I suppose they might try and charge the English and Welsh for fishing rights but a ban on Scottish farmed salmon would scupper that. Having to pay for all the public servants in Scotland would be 'economically challenging' but if that's what Scotland wants, who are we not to withdraw the 'subsidy' and let them go it alone.
There are only so many times you can bite back and believe in a completely benign response.
I suppose they might try and charge the English and Welsh for fishing rights but a ban on Scottish farmed salmon would scupper that. Having to pay for all the public servants in Scotland would be 'economically challenging' but if that's what Scotland wants, who are we not to withdraw the 'subsidy' and let them go it alone.
There are only so many times you can bite back and believe in a completely benign response.
Freeforester
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As if! John, you've either not done the sums, or don't care about Austerity on steroids for the foreseeable future? One thing is for sure, if you think they're having a hard time holding on to & recruiting NHS staff at the moment in Scotland (and why would anyone want to come here to pay more tax anyway), just wait and see what'll happen when they find out there's naw enough bawbees to go round, let alone the climate, somewhat 'unconvincing' prospects (higher tax for anyone getting a half decent salary), all in a cold wet and miserable climate, with incompetent masters ruling the serfs; it's all very well wishing to model oneself on a Scandinavian societal model, if you bear in mind the starting rate of income tax is 51% - ask the Danes! Government own figures for future revenues speak for themselves, too.If we vote in our house and at the moment that is debatable, we (four votes) have agreed to vote snp in order to expedite an independent Scotland and bring about a new look Scottish Government.After the last few years of Westminster betrayal and utter bull chit makes it an easier choice.Time has come to get off our knees,nothing left to lose ..
Freeforester
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