I doubt foxes will either - not really fast though which is what the OP was after, must admit I like foxing bullets to be as fast and frangible as possible.
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I doubt foxes will either - not really fast though which is what the OP was after, must admit I like foxing bullets to be as fast and frangible as possible.
On the Viht site I lost 25 fps per inch with a 22" barrel to a 26" barrel for the same powder weight this is a super accurate load and running out to 600 yards very happy , if you have never had the pleasure of shooting with somebody with a muzzle brake or people using them even 20 feet away i'd pass on that idea .
Why? Guns go bang and every one on point has heating protection on. The pulse from a brake helps bystanders feel alive
Unfortunately where our club shoots, Bisley (the national shooting ground) booking with brakes is now causing real problems, it used to be that they would just give you one lane separation but now more often than not if you inform them when you confirm the booking that you wish to use brakes they change the booking to put you as far away from other people! Mainly because of people complaining to the range office that guns go bang, very annoying!!
Brakes are effective, and deeply uncool. Use a quality suppressor, and get the same affect on recoil with commensurate noise reduction.
I have owned one muzzle break in my entire life. It came with the recent new rifle, and was put up for sale yesterday.
Just a few short weeks ago I was spotting for my 28 Nosler mate. We were using the triangle method, with UHF handhelds for comms, whereby the spotter sits up in cover some distance away from the shooter, to watch deer crossing the face. The spotter's job is to select an animal for the shot, and to ready the shooter for its appearance on the relevant clearing, which has already been ranged and ballistic turrets set accordingly. This is proper long-range stuff.
The rifle in question wears a Terminator muzzle brake. It is a remarkable piece of engineering, for the effect on the recoil impulse is so reduced that I can seriously shoot that rifle for multiple shots with no ill effects whatsoever. The 28N cartridge is one of the most powerful 7 mm magnums available. If not the most powerful.
You've already guessed the punchline though, you can't hear a small handheld UHF radio on low volume through ear protection. And my poor old mate made the highly regrettable mistake of forgetting to replace his ear protectors after talking to me, despite me reminding him to do so.
It is a mistake that he has been fretting over ever since. He had an immediate loss of hearing and significant tinnitus, which gradually faded. Whilst his hearing has largely returned, a checkup confirmed measurable degradation since his last workplace medical 9 months ago.
Muzzle brakes are very dangerous and extremely unforgiving of one simple mistake. Just ask the military guys.
I have owned one muzzle break in my entire life. It came with the recent new rifle, and was put up for sale yesterday.
Just a few short weeks ago I was spotting for my 28 Nosler mate. We were using the triangle method, with UHF handhelds for comms, whereby the spotter sits up in cover some distance away from the shooter, to watch deer crossing the face. The spotter's job is to select an animal for the shot, and to ready the shooter for its appearance on the relevant clearing, which has already been ranged and ballistic turrets set accordingly. This is proper long-range stuff.
The rifle in question wears a Terminator muzzle brake. It is a remarkable piece of engineering, for the effect on the recoil impulse is so reduced that I can seriously shoot that rifle for multiple shots with no ill effects whatsoever. The 28N cartridge is one of the most powerful 7 mm magnums available. If not the most powerful.
You've already guessed the punchline though, you can't hear a small handheld UHF radio on low volume through ear protection. And my poor old mate made the highly regrettable mistake of forgetting to replace his ear protectors after talking to me, despite me reminding him to do so.
It is a mistake that he has been fretting over ever since. He had an immediate loss of hearing and significant tinnitus, which gradually faded. Whilst his hearing has largely returned, a checkup confirmed measurable degradation since his last workplace medical 9 months ago.
Muzzle brakes are very dangerous and extremely unforgiving of one simple mistake. Just ask the military guys.
Not sure how my thread has ended up a debate about brakes but here is my experience...
.375 H&H Mag - tried many mods but I had the rifle built light for long difficult hikes and no mod managed to tame it to my liking and ultimately the extra weight of the mod somewhat defeats the point of having a light rifle set-up and doesn’t help with driven shots. Had a custom brake made and the setup is transformed, Lightweight and short so driven shooting is a delight, plus recoil reduced and flip controlled.
But, forget ear protection and you won’t be hearing anything for a while, and PH’s or anyone standing beside close gets an instant wake-up.
.375 H&H Mag - tried many mods but I had the rifle built light for long difficult hikes and no mod managed to tame it to my liking and ultimately the extra weight of the mod somewhat defeats the point of having a light rifle set-up and doesn’t help with driven shots. Had a custom brake made and the setup is transformed, Lightweight and short so driven shooting is a delight, plus recoil reduced and flip controlled.
But, forget ear protection and you won’t be hearing anything for a while, and PH’s or anyone standing beside close gets an instant wake-up.
ChesterP
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A decent mod every time for me. A 6.5 really doesn't need a brake...it's low recoiling to begin with so why add so much unecessary blast that will do hearing no good (remember, MOST hearing protectors only reduce peaks by about 25dB and that's if properly fitted). A decent lightweight mod on a 6.5 reduces recoil to not much more than a .223 and reduces blast to very acceptable levels. Surely a no-brainer?
That's a problem? Being apart? I usually prefer it. ~Muir
No being a lame apart is fine, but we’re not being given that option any more
I did something very similar when shooting a 375HH. I had just taken a shot off the bonnet of my truck. I was aware of my mate trying to say something so raised my ear defenders. He was saying take another shot so I did ! You can guess what happened. Luckily no muzzle break but still bl@@dy loud bouncing back off the windscreen. I think that seriously contributed to the tinnitus that I have now.
In the US it is the rare shooter that has a suppressor. (Though becoming more popular daily) I don't use brakes on hunting rifles but I use them on target rifles. If people don't like it, frankly, they can move away from the firing line. I do distance myself from other shooters and check to see that everyone has hearing protection on before I shoot, but I will shoot with the brake and not be dissuaded by others on the firing line.~Muir
LOL you'd likely get a punch in the head if you tried that here!
However in Aus, where suppressors are banned, brakes were reasonably common but frequently banned on public ranges.
love a good brake
Wouldn't be the first time.
If brakes are banned, that is a different story. Being told I'm just too loud is, well, too bad. I'll give you foam plugs to put under your muffs or lend you muffs if you don't have them. If i show up to my range to have a nice 100 yard shoot with my 22LR and three benches down a kid is shooting his braked 338 Lapua, do I ask him to stop because his rifle is too loud? No. I shoot and ignore it, or pack up for another day, or move to a different firing bay. ~Muir
Raven
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yep constant ringing in my ears even after retiring 10 years ago
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