With respect Richard,
you'll never see a video of ours showing the shots where things have gone wrong. We're not in the business of getting things wrong!
Regards
Mike.
New Video - Advanced Marksmanship (Head Shooting)
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With respect Richard,
you'll never see a video of ours showing the shots where things have gone wrong. We're not in the business of getting things wrong!
Regards
Mike.
Dick darstardly
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Hello
Unfortunantly cant view the video as it is showing an error message on you tube. I find your post slightly confusing pneudart as you seemed to previously state that you were anti head shooting as you can read from a previous post by yourself. Albeit you say wild deer and if what i gather from others responces these may be park deer but surely the animal can still move there head in a similar manner as you previously mentioned? Not a dig just a question. You posted it in the thread entitled "if you shoot enough deer"
Unfortunantly cant view the video as it is showing an error message on you tube. I find your post slightly confusing pneudart as you seemed to previously state that you were anti head shooting as you can read from a previous post by yourself. Albeit you say wild deer and if what i gather from others responces these may be park deer but surely the animal can still move there head in a similar manner as you previously mentioned? Not a dig just a question. You posted it in the thread entitled "if you shoot enough deer"
IMO it's a very dangerous thing to get into the habit of head shooting wild deer. It's something we have never done, and NEVER advocated. The same with neck shots. I've seen too many of both end in disaster - for the animal! I agree partly with your post PKL, but fee that even a badly placed shot in the stomach, or AROUND the vitals can inflict unimaginable suffering on the animal - and that can last much longer than 30 - 60 minutes.
We once found two Fallow that were shot by poachers at 12.30 am, we found them the next morning at 8.30am - one shot through the brisket, and still very much alive, and one hit in the guts - again very much alive! That's 8 hours of unimaginable suffering. But as you say, a jaw shot deer can live for days as it slowly starves to death, unable to drink, unable to eat.
Head shots on wild deer? Not a chance IMO.
Regards
Mike. "
We once found two Fallow that were shot by poachers at 12.30 am, we found them the next morning at 8.30am - one shot through the brisket, and still very much alive, and one hit in the guts - again very much alive! That's 8 hours of unimaginable suffering. But as you say, a jaw shot deer can live for days as it slowly starves to death, unable to drink, unable to eat.
Head shots on wild deer? Not a chance IMO.
Regards
Mike. "
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Hmmm didn't think bushes even gorse ones were concidered a safe backstop we wont even mention the fence as a backstop.
Ahhhh, so you didn't read the bit about the bank then???? .... CTFD Cam, if the images of humanely slaughtered deer upsets you, then look on youtube to find some that show some good wounding stuff!
Dick darstardly
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Hi Pneudart....Did you read my post. How come your thread here and the one posted in my comment are so diffrent?
DaveJelen
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Hi Dick ! Mike proberly has read your post but proberly did'nt reply because his post was about head shooting wild deer which we never advocate !!!!
The head shots in the short film are on park deer, So I cant see any niggle totally different situations
Regards Dave( jELEN DEER SERVICES)
Dick darstardly
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Fair enough, i cant comment further as i havnt shot park deer. I appreciate that they will not be as flighty if at all as wild deer so movment will not be as sporadic.
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Hi there Mr. Dastardly,
Thanks for your message, and your observation.
In actual fact the comments are not different! I maintain what I said, that it is a very dangerous habit to get into regularly head shooting wild deer. Personally I never do it, but it is a matter of personal preference. And that's just my opinion. There are some incredible shots out there that can regularly head shoot wild deer, and fair play to them.
But the animals in our video are ALL in parks/farms - a controlled, fenced environment. You are correct that the head can still move, but that is where the skill and experience of my team, and that of many other park/farm shooters in the UK comes into its own - having the ability to 'read' what the deer is likely to do at a given time. Understanding of the animal and it's behaviour in the circumstances.
I fully appreciate how many sporting stalkers might view this as a no no - and I really do appreciate their reasons for thinking that way. But the difference is that this is a service provided by our company to our customers, and if they wish deer to be culled quickly and humanely by head shooting, then that is the service that we can and do provide. Those who have attended our park culling days will understand that.
I also appreciate why some people may find the images upsetting, or offensive, which is why we made that clear to those about to watch. However, it seems that some people just HAD to watch regardless.
But, when all said and done, a great many people on this site will find this footage interesting - we can see that by the number of views! It's a good way for people to appreciate in detail the effects of precise and humane head shooting. There's very little footage out there that shows this in such detail.
Somebody mentioned earlier the videos by YDS. These excellent videos also show the reactions of deer shot in the chest and other placement points. It's all interesting stuff from which the novice will gain a great deal of information.
It is clear that some just prefer to 'beat the drum'.
Regards
Mike.
Hi Wills,
Thanks for your comments.
The camera is a Canon XH A1. It's a great camera, and the images captured on iMovie and Final cut are crystal clear. However, downloading to youtube, Vimeo etc., loses so much clarity.
Regards
Mike
Dick darstardly
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its definantly a well shot 
video. Great slow motion
video. Great slow motion
Offroad Gary
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its definantly a well shot
Thanks Dick,
We'll have some better stuff done later this year. we're working on some new projects now - something for everybody.
Best regards
Mike
(Director - Jelen Deer Services) Jelen Deer Services
now that is advanced markmanship if ever i've seen it
better shot, make safe
Gary, shouldn't you be thinking of ways to keep your job? You sick deer-murdering bustard!!!
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Mike is right He runs a very commercial training operation utilising his students for his culling and management work what a lot of people on this site forget is that there is a number of us that work with deer as a profession we understand our abilities through years of experience in some cases many hundreds even thousands of deer both wild and park/farmed we might not wish to publish our profession as mike has done but then he is also advertising his training courses. A stalker does learn to read the deer, he knows from his own experiences which shot to take and when and he knows most importantly when not to shoot. The head shot is a shot to be taken by a rifle who knows it is in his ability. Just because you can shoot a half inch at a hundred does not mean you won't get a bit shaky after a good walk and crawl but when you need to cull more than one animal the head shot creates the least stress and disturbance in the herd allowing you to possible take another one or two animals. It also produces the least meat damage after all we are not collecting trophies.
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