Following on from the 9.3x62 threads....................

[alberta boy]

Great thread , unfortunately , a lot of these bullets just don't show up here . I've used the 232 gr Vulcan and Oryx in my 9.3x57 and 62 . They both work very well but I've found, like Lateral , that the Oryx is a tough bullet more suited to heavier game . I've taken a few animals , including a young meat bull Moose with them in the 9.3x57 . It was a slightly quartering shot through the shoulder that entered behind the left shoulder and exited through the right upper shoulder joint /shoulder blade . A good sized exit wound with little bloodshot meat , nothing to complain about . The bullet continued on into the hill behind the Bull , so I'm guessing it held together . The Vuclans work on our deer really well , but again , I've never recovered one from either caliber . The Nosler 250's are a really good bullet for either cartridge . I will be trying some Barnes 250 gr ttsx's this Fall out of curiousity . I'll try and post some results , if the Moose are agreeable ....... and I don't blow it lol .

AB

 

[scrumbag]

Are you sure that Cannelured 232gr isn't a Norma Vulkan?

I nabbed the below from AfricaHunting.com and seems that there has been a Vulkan produced with a cannelure.

Scrummy

 

[scrumbag]

Ooooh, moose hunting eh? 9.3? Should do the business!

 

[Lateral]

Are you sure that Cannelured 232gr isn't a Norma Vulkan?

I nabbed the below from AfricaHunting.com and seems that there has been a Vulkan produced with a cannelure.

Scrummy

View attachment 158398

That would have saved some time

Karamoja posted a cross section pic of the Vulcan, and regardless of the cannelure, they are very different.

The Vulcan has the copper jacket rolled in a the tip, the mystery bullet is a soft point, and the jacket is thinner.

 

[09mutley05]

Got some Lapua megas 285grain somewhere, if you’re interested in them. Got some others possible s and b I think. Seems I’m shooting at the heavier end of things, not had a chance to use in anger yet but, shot well in load development. Might try some non toxics in it

 

[scrumbag]

Great thread , unfortunately , a lot of these bullets just don't show up here . I've used the 232 gr Vulcan and Oryx in my 9.3x57 and 62 . They both work very well but I've found, like Lateral , that the Oryx is a tough bullet more suited to heavier game . I've taken a few animals , including a young meat bull Moose with them in the 9.3x57 . It was a slightly quartering shot through the shoulder that entered behind the left shoulder and exited through the right upper shoulder joint /shoulder blade . A good sized exit wound with little bloodshot meat , nothing to complain about . The bullet continued on into the hill behind the Bull , so I'm guessing it held together . The Vuclans work on our deer really well , but again , I've never recovered one from either caliber . The Nosler 250's are a really good bullet for either cartridge . I will be trying some Barnes 250 gr ttsx's this Fall out of curiousity . I'll try and post some results , if the Moose are agreeable ....... and I don't blow it lol .

AB

I am keen to try out some 250 gr Accubonds in the 9.3x62. Should get about 2550 fps with Lovex S062 and with 2" high zero at 100yds, it should be only 1" low at 200.

Scrummy

 

[Manny]

286g Nosler partition

 

[Lateral]

The more I look at the cross sections, the more I realize just how technical construction, v weight is.

The thicker the jacket, the less volume there is for the core, in the same way heavier cases have a smaller H2O volume.

I'm assuming the core material is heavier than the copper jacket, which means if a bullet has a thicker jacket, comparing the two above, the bullet would either have to be longer, or have a denser core material.

 

[karamoja]

Yes absolutely!!
Then you can bond various sections of the construction etc, making expansion greater or lesser. The development of monolithic bullets over the next ten to twenty years will be very interesting to watch. The likes of GS, Peregrine, Sax all look very interesting interns of design relating weight and expansion. The potential is awesome??
I have some H-Mantel to cut in half but I suspect the nose will crush, I will have a go any way.
K

 

[Lateral]

Is there a way to work out what depth/length of ballistic gel v bullet energy ? Or, would something like soft clay blocks be better.

I just want to compare expansion, if that's even realistic ?

 

[bowji john]

For the DG course for Zoo & Safari Park staff I have set up, we have developed a penetration test using a combination of plywood, newspaper/magazines and ballistic gel (and a bullet catcher to keep things safe)

The purpose is to compare penetration, path deviation and bullet integrity for a range of different bullets

Sadly we have not done a test yet and this bloody lock down has held everything up

However Ed Bewsher has done quite a bit of this kind of work apparently

 

[karamoja]

I did not expect this. 258gn RWS H-Mantel.

It appears the lower, main jacket is copper plated steel.
The cross section. Due to the steel colour and lead being the same I have coloured the steel as best I can with Sharpie. You may need to zoom in if your really interested.

 

[Lateral]

Since the Geco, & RWS, come out of the same factory, and the Geco 255gn sp is magnetic, I'm not surprised that the RWS is too, but I still think it's the core, rather than the jacket.

We need to file the jacket, to see if you're right, and it is plated steel.

 

[karamoja]

It's the jacket that is magnetic, the core is standard lead and not magnetic. I just always assumed it was copper as per the colour. A stroke or two with the file shows steel.
I have also used them in the .270 and never recovered one - it would be interesting to see.
K

 

[scrumbag]

I miss the old RWS T-Mantel. That worked really well I found

 

[scrumbag]

That would have saved some time

Karamoja posted a cross section pic of the Vulcan, and regardless of the cannelure, they are very different.

The Vulcan has the copper jacket rolled in a the tip, the mystery bullet is a soft point, and the jacket is thinner.

View attachment 158430

I see your point

 

[Sinistral]

Are you sure that Cannelured 232gr isn't a Norma Vulkan?

I nabbed the below from AfricaHunting.com and seems that there has been a Vulkan produced with a cannelure.

I think the mystery 9.3mm sectioned is a standard Norma SMP (see section below from 1993 catalogue).

There aren’t many own brand bullets made in this calibre. The angled cannelure & 232gr weight is a Norma signature, but their reloading component bullets are rarely cannelured e.g like the Hornady Interlock.

All DWM, RWS, and S&B expanding bullets are heavier @ 256 - 287grs.

 

[Orion]

I think the mystery 9.3mm sectioned is a standard Norma SMP (see section below from 1993 catalogue).

There aren’t many own brand bullets made in this calibre. The angled cannelure & 232gr weight is a Norma signature, but their reloading component bullets are rarely cannelured e.g like the Hornady Interlock.

Good find. And it set me looking through of my own reloading pamphlets.

I have a Norma booklet from (I believe) 1989 and it shows a ‘Soft Point’ bullet, and although the illustration is with a boat tail that obviously might not apply to the 9.3 232gr version. The distinctive angled cannelure is present. Also illustrated separately are the Alaska and Vulkan bullets.

But...... the 232gr ‘Soft Point’ loaded ammo is listed in the accompanying ballistic tables as product number 19317 which is the Vulkan! Same ID under the ‘Rifle Bullet’ section of available components SP = Vulkan. Nowhere is there mention of the Oryx.

Could be that the ‘Mystery Norma 232gr’ is the forerunner to the Oryx with a less beefy jacket construction, since dropped as it offered nothing that the Vulkan couldn’t do?

 

[Lateral]

Sinistral,

Many thanks, that's the closest yet, apart from the picture you posted having a recessed base, which the mystery one doesn't.

That said, Norma may have done various versions ?

 

[Sinistral]

Sinistral,

Many thanks, that's the closest yet, apart from the picture you posted having a recessed base, which the mystery one doesn't.
That said, Norma may have done various versions ?

Norma own brand bullets in factory-loaded have shallow-recessed bases & cannelures.
The illustrations from the catalogue are what’s loaded in factory production ammo.

Norma previously used nickel-plated bullets, but replaced these with Tombac & cupro-clad designs around 2002.

I have ex-factory Norma bullets in 6mm (.243,.240Wby), 6.5mm (6.5x54, 6.5x55), .270 (.270 Win, .270 Wby), 7mm (7x57, 7x64, 7mm RM), .308 (too many cals to list), 8mm (8x57), .358 (.358 NM)…. all are recessed/cannelured.

Just don’t have 9.3mm…. only the brands I mentioned in .366”.

It's possible that Norma bullets sold as reloading components have plain bases to differentiate them.