Does the urinator deserve

[Sika-Hunter]

No one should ever be prosecuted for ****ing outside, under any circumstances.

Paula Radcliffe didn't

 

[Apthorpe]

Of course they are. The point being (and recognised by the CJS) is that is punishments must - to do degree - reflect what the public demands (in so far as a democracy works).
The fear being that if it does not, it is seen as "failing" and lynch mentality takes over.
Douglas Hurd's biography is worth a read (I enjoyed it) when he describes and distils the role of Home Secretary down to two issues:-
One to protect society from the people.
Two to protect people from society.
It is a fine line they are required to walk on our behalf.

If I remember correctly, Douglas Hurd was neither a judge nor had any legal training whatsoever.

In a democracy, the justice system is supposed to be strictly impartial and in particular, separate from politics. It is a basic travesty of justice if individual sentences reflect public opinion. If it transpires that anybody else has been given a 14 day prison sentence for urinating near a memorial in the past decade, I will be surprised.

The police may feel their function is to pander to the mob, but please let us have at least one institution of state maintain a degree of integrity.

 

[opticron1]

I sit here waiting patiently to see what sentence our little coloured friend who was trying to set fire to the Union Flag on the Cenotaph is going to get. After that, I'm sure the "protesters" in Bristol who get prosecuted for criminal damage will be receiving a suitable punishment...…….

 

[dartmoordog]

I find the defacing of Sir Winston Churchill’s statue far more offensive than someone taking a p*ss in a public area.

 

[Apthorpe]

The way the events of the past three weeks have been handled by the police could hardly have been designed to do more to further the cause of those like Yaxley-Lennon.

You don't defuse race tensions by policing in a prejudicial manner.

 

[Stalker62]

If I remember correctly, Douglas Hurd was neither a judge nor had any legal training whatsoever.

You are right, he didn't. However, as Home Secretary he was advised by those that were.
Additionally, the Judge/Magistrate/Prosecution/Defence in the trial to which this post refers all were.

 

[greenshoots]

whats he to do all public toilets are shut does not deserve 2 weeks

greenshoots

 

[Stalker62]

.

whats he to do all public toilets are shut does not deserve 2 weeks

Perhaps not p**s up the side of a memorial to a murdered Police Officer...

 

[opticron1]

On an average night out in Edinburgh or Glasgow, you'll see far worse sights than this.... usual result is a street caution/warning or an on the spot fine.....

 

[User00025]

No one should ever be prosecuted for ****ing outside, under any circumstances.
[/QUOTE

Oh dear he's out again.

 

[countrryboy]

Must admit I have no idea about london and how noticeable well known the plaque is.

Assuming he is drunk and had no idea that memorial is there ( and judging by the photo it doesn't look massively obvious) I would say it could be slightly harsh getting much more than a warning/slap on wrist or FPN.
Not saying that being drunk and ignorant is an excuse

It will be interesting to see the difference in penalty for those actually caught willfully defacing monuments?
For me doesn't seem a lot of intent from the boy having a pee, unfortunate and stupid as it was, but willfully defacing and vandalising a memorial should be punished far harder, in my opinion

To me it does seem scary the different way the press seem to be pushing 1 side more than the other.
I take it this boy was caught purely due to the photos rather than a polisman being there at the time?


Althou I do think the offence is handled very differently in Scotland compared to England.
When u go to a Scottish music festival there's blokes p*ssiing against every semi screened security fence there is, hell even a lot off birds doing the same.
Polis generally turn a blind eye ( same at big fitba games or gala days) if ur making some extent to be discreet and not p*ssing over someone's property.
At English festivals u just don't get it and seen folk lifted for minor stuff.

 

[countrryboy]

whats he to do all public toilets are shut does not deserve 2 weeks

greenshoots

Must admit I had a long drive over Fri/sat and had to pee in a couple of places really not happy about, still in lay-bys but busy 1s that usually have toilets.
Always found a wee bit of cover but far from ideal, feel sorry for any women really.

Think just very very unfortunate where he chose to unzip, and too me it doesn't look blatantly obvious wot it is.

 

[Bigcal]

I got caught ****ing down a side street years ago in town and the fecking policeman got a bucket of water from the bouncer and made me swill it away much to the delight of every f!?ker in the street laughing there heads off!
£60 fine and a bit of public humiliation never did me any harm!

 

[Apthorpe]

He didn't. Just saying....

 

[Bigcal]

That’s not me being racist we are all equal but I simply mean doesn’t give us or anybody else the right to vandalise Statues over somethng that happend long before most of the people causing trouble was alive

 

[Apthorpe]

**** near a memorial to a police officer. Result: identified, arrested, charged, tried, convicted and jailed within 48 hours.
Vandalise a war memorial with racial slogans. Result: nil. A police spokesman said that apparently officers are unable to identify the cuplrits because "they all look the same"

 

[tikka_madras]

When we were teenagers a mate of mine on a night out got caught short and ****ed on the black glass frontage of a building. A very irate copper emerged from the nick, informed him that he might not be able to see in through the glass but the police and everyone else in the waiting room could see out, made some disparaging comments about the size of his genitalia and the mental capacity involved in choosing that spot to urinate, and told him to f**k off. And as my very sizzled mate stumbled off towards us the copper was forced to add “and for f**k sake put it away” as the gentleman in question’s appendage was still swinging in the breeze. I liked being a teenager. We had a lot of fun.

 

[bluesako]

nothing said or done about blm protesters ****ing in bottles, and throwing them at the police, im thinking this racism thing is a one way street. bs.

 

[Rake Aboot]

Utter rubbish.

In your opinion you mean.?

Oh dear he's out again.

Your opinion doesn't even count you halfwit.

If you have to take a **** outdoors you should be allowed to wherever you are and as long as you cause no damage. To put it simply, for the simple, where else do you go if there is no where to go.?
Outdated offence that should be done away with.

 

[finnbear270]

Must admit I have no idea about london and how noticeable well known the plaque is.

Assuming he is drunk and had no idea that memorial is there ( and judging by the photo it doesn't look massively obvious) I would say it could be slightly harsh getting much more than a warning/slap on wrist or FPN.
Not saying that being drunk and ignorant is an excuse

It will be interesting to see the difference in penalty for those actually caught willfully defacing monuments?
For me doesn't seem a lot of intent from the boy having a pee, unfortunate and stupid as it was, but willfully defacing and vandalising a memorial should be punished far harder, in my opinion

To me it does seem scary the different way the press seem to be pushing 1 side more than the other.
I take it this boy was caught purely due to the photos rather than a polisman being there at the time?


Althou I do think the offence is handled very differently in Scotland compared to England.
When u go to a Scottish music festival there's blokes p*ssiing against every semi screened security fence there is, hell even a lot off birds doing the same.
Polis generally turn a blind eye ( same at big fitba games or gala days) if ur making some extent to be discreet and not p*ssing over someone's property.
At English festivals u just don't get it and seen folk lifted for minor stuff.

Well, that is North if the wall innit! Porage gobblers