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Troubleshoot with Howa 1500
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Pontfathew
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I have a basic Howa 1500 sporter in 223 with a Houge stock and can say I'm very happy with it.
When I got it home first day I pulled the stock off and put it all back together to make sure I was happy that it was assembled correctly and there was enough clearance between the barrel and the stock all the way down.
Stuff like a loose fixing or poor bedding could cause inconsistency in accuracy, not necessarily the stocks fault. People could buy a new stock and get better results instantly, but this may be down to the fact that when they've assembled their new stock to the gun they've done up all the fixings properly and made sure the gun is sat in the stock properly. I.E. accuracy issues were down to assembly issues not a "stock" issue. Just a thought before splashing out on a new stock.
I shoot groups consistently as attached without too much effort, and positive that the gun is far more accurate than me by a long shot.
As dodgyknees has already said, you might as well see what you can do with what you've got before spending £150+ on something else. The thing I like about the Houge stock is that I'm not precious about it at all, proper tool.
When I got it home first day I pulled the stock off and put it all back together to make sure I was happy that it was assembled correctly and there was enough clearance between the barrel and the stock all the way down.
Stuff like a loose fixing or poor bedding could cause inconsistency in accuracy, not necessarily the stocks fault. People could buy a new stock and get better results instantly, but this may be down to the fact that when they've assembled their new stock to the gun they've done up all the fixings properly and made sure the gun is sat in the stock properly. I.E. accuracy issues were down to assembly issues not a "stock" issue. Just a thought before splashing out on a new stock.
I shoot groups consistently as attached without too much effort, and positive that the gun is far more accurate than me by a long shot.
As dodgyknees has already said, you might as well see what you can do with what you've got before spending £150+ on something else. The thing I like about the Houge stock is that I'm not precious about it at all, proper tool.
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they are for bipod work, off of quad sticks they are absolutely fine!
kennyc
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but the fact is they do work straight from the factory ! if you go out of your way to make them fail they will, but those of us who actually shoot the darn things have found them to be accurate from the box, thats not to say that you can't improve them, but at the end of the day if you cheap out and buy the cheapest of many options you can't expect it to perform like a more expensive option.
that’s exactly it, I use a hogue on mine in the field and everything I shoot with it falls over, dead. I think people read far too much into what they read on the internet instead of finding Out for Themselves (ahem 143 gr eldx, ahem)
nun_hunter
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Or people think that to shoot off a bipod you must "load" it first then proceed to imagine they're in the WSM truck pull and shove it forward with all their might and wonder why a plastic stock is bending slightly.
rangey
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Did a bit of testing last night
Pulled my 22.250 out of the grs laminate stock and put back in the hogue..
Shot the same as the grs. Poi changed but grouped the same at 100yds.
Shot of bench with bipod..
Did open up slightly if bipod was overloaded.
But I wouldn't overload the bipod that much on normal shooting.
Did the same with 6.5 creedmoor in mdt ess stock. Same result.
But they do look better in the grs and mdt stock.. Lol
Pulled my 22.250 out of the grs laminate stock and put back in the hogue..
Shot the same as the grs. Poi changed but grouped the same at 100yds.
Shot of bench with bipod..
Did open up slightly if bipod was overloaded.
But I wouldn't overload the bipod that much on normal shooting.
Did the same with 6.5 creedmoor in mdt ess stock. Same result.
But they do look better in the grs and mdt stock.. Lol
Cooter
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I have a Howa sporter in .308 and always used it in the hogue stock without any issues, and the grouping with the right loads has always been MOA or better.
I recently bought a second hand laminate thumbhole stock for it, fitted pillars and fully bedded it to see if it made any improvement.
It looks good but made no noticeable difference to the groups out to 400 yds.
I recently bought a second hand laminate thumbhole stock for it, fitted pillars and fully bedded it to see if it made any improvement.
It looks good but made no noticeable difference to the groups out to 400 yds.
McMillan have Howa Carbon stocks listed on their 4th of July sale.
Around $500 which is more than what the barrelled action costs in the USA.
People complain about stocks being expensive but I always say Lock, Stock and Barrel in that order of preference.
Buy a good action, throw away the cheapo factory plastic stock and get a carbon/composite replacement then shoot until the factory Barrel has burnt out (may never happen with a .308) and then fit a high quality stainless steel one with a faster twist rate.
Sorted.
Around $500 which is more than what the barrelled action costs in the USA.
People complain about stocks being expensive but I always say Lock, Stock and Barrel in that order of preference.
Buy a good action, throw away the cheapo factory plastic stock and get a carbon/composite replacement then shoot until the factory Barrel has burnt out (may never happen with a .308) and then fit a high quality stainless steel one with a faster twist rate.
Sorted.
Back in the real world
Buy a rifle that shoots sub moa with the factory stock (if you know what you’re doing), go shoot some deer
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I firmly believe you have hit the nail on the head with that observation, maybe doesn't apply so much to the naturally talented but deffo adds a % for the rest of us.
Can’t be true, my £220 70’s Fulton .308 that I bought off of Ed (Edinburgh rifles) before he was a dealer, shoots spots off guns that cost more than 5x as much and it looks terrible!!
We all have our old favourites that look like they've been to hell and back and in our selective memories have never let us down but I reckon there is a lot of truth in what rangey said.
There is no rifle or accessory that is going to make a terrible shooter good but when guys have the basic's mastered and the difference between improving and stagnating is minuscule that's when the small little changes can make a big difference.
It's almost like a placebo effect, cross bred with a bit of sports psychology, sprinkled with that tiny bit of self confidence that was lacking.
Of course naturally gifted individuals like yourself and WH308 will just keep on keeping on come what may and more power to the two of ye.
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