We love our 22Lrs right? But what is the mext step up?

Just go for the 223 - its on your ticket already - great for fox - Munty and rabbits too.

YES , it is a lot of gun just for rabbits , but lets face it , if you hit a 2lb bunny with 500 FTE from a hornet its going to destroy the meat.
To be fair the HMR will also make a mess too if its for the pot.

From my experience , A well placed headshot from a 223 ( or any small CF for that matter) causes virtually no damage to the meat.
There is far more bruising if i body shoot bunnies using my FAC air rifle , than a head shot with a my 223 - despite the 1300FTE difference between them.

With out the risk of being branded a bragger - I head shot 5 rabbits on a sunny evening last week , the closest was 218 yrds to the furthest which was 347 yrds - using a 22 BR and 40 grn bullets at 4000 fps - all head shots and NO meat damage.



ATB
Alan


Shhh Alan no one likes a boaster, nah, nice work - I'm not shy I body shoot them with your old AI, Gives me a better chance of hitting the and I shoot far more rabbits than I can eat!
 
Just go for the 223 - its on your ticket already - great for fox - Munty and rabbits too.

YES , it is a lot of gun just for rabbits , but lets face it , if you hit a 2lb bunny with 500 FTE from a hornet its going to destroy the meat.
To be fair the HMR will also make a mess too if its for the pot.

From my experience , A well placed headshot from a 223 ( or any small CF for that matter) causes virtually no damage to the meat.
There is far more bruising if i body shoot bunnies using my FAC air rifle , than a head shot with a my 223 - despite the 1300FTE difference between them.

With out the risk of being branded a bragger - I head shot 5 rabbits on a sunny evening last week , the closest was 218 yrds to the furthest which was 347 yrds - using a 22 BR and 40 grn bullets at 4000 fps - all head shots and NO meat damage.



ATB
Alan


jesus i can’t see 347 yards. :rofl: :rofl: :tiphat: let alone shoot that far

what scope you using - can’t be NV surely

that’s a fair old range for any optic
 
Shhh Alan no one likes a boaster, nah, nice work - I'm not shy I body shoot them with your old AI, Gives me a better chance of hitting the and I shoot far more rabbits than I can eat!

Glad my old 223 AI is still being put to good use. :british:

jesus i can’t see 347 yards. :rofl: :rofl: :tiphat: let alone shoot that far what scope you using - can’t be NV surely

I have a 6-24x56 Zeiss Victory on my BR. But a bit more mag would help these days :thumb:
 
Thanks for all the advice and ideas guys...really helpful.

I think, based on the fact that my perm has muntjac, I already have a slot for it, i could de-tune loads and head shoot rabbits (which is my shot of choice anyway)...the 223 makes sense for now. Having had a look I even have 100 brass and a die set tucked away. As dave suggests I'm more likely to find a s/h left hooker in that as well as there tend to be more .223s than the others advertised in the usual places.

Obviously if I had the money, a bigger cabinet and good reason I'd have the lot! But wouldn't we all?

Will seriously consider the Hornets for the future though...not really heard anything bad about either, which is not the case with the hmr in my experience.

Have heard they need care to reload in terms of case prep, but everything else sounds spot on to bridge the gap between the 22lr and a .223.

Its addictive this is, eh?

Many thanks...
 
Hi shep,
All of the cartridges you have listed are great to be honest, personally I wouldn't bother with the hmr, I found mine was fussy with ammo and when I did find what it liked I struggled to get it, that was l while ago now and things may well be different. 17 hornet is brilliant, I have used one a fair bit and it's very fats, accurate and is pretty quiet with a good mod, only downside is wind, it does drift a fair bit. 22 hornet is what I use for rabbits and again very accurate and easy to shoot, it doesn't hold massive velosity so knowing your ranges and drop is important but all in all great rabbit and foxing gun inside 200 yards (I know it can be used further but that's what I use it for). 204 is incredible, totally polaxes foxes and can cover long range varmint shooting with ease, rabbits must be headshot with this cartridge other you won't have much to eat but 200 yard headshot are not a problem. 222 and 223 are both nice rounds again, probably a bit much for rabbits unless headshooting, brilliant for foxes and the added bonus is you could take a munjac if one appears, as you reload you could always down load these to more suitable velosity for rabbiting and carry some full speed loads for munjac in your pocket but you would have to know the different points of impact for the two loads to make sure you are placing your shot properly. I would be hard pressed to choose but I have got the hornet and shot all but one of the rest you have listed and they are all great. One challenge you might have with some of them is finding a left hand action but if you are happy to use a right hand bolt then they will all do you. You are welcome to have a try with my 22 hornet at some point if you would like and see what you think.
Dave

Very kind and sage advice as ever Dave. Cheers
 
Thanks for all the advice and ideas guys...really helpful.

I think, based on the fact that my perm has muntjac, I already have a slot for it, i could de-tune loads and head shoot rabbits (which is my shot of choice anyway)...the 223 makes sense for now. Having had a look I even have 100 brass and a die set tucked away. As dave suggests I'm more likely to find a s/h left hooker in that as well as there tend to be more .223s than the others advertised in the usual places.

Obviously if I had the money, a bigger cabinet and good reason I'd have the lot! But wouldn't we all?

Will seriously consider the Hornets for the future though...not really heard anything bad about either, which is not the case with the hmr in my experience.

Have heard they need care to reload in terms of case prep, but everything else sounds spot on to bridge the gap between the 22lr and a .223.

Its addictive this is, eh?

Many thanks...

Sheppy, Sheppy, Sheppy...... you’re just not getting this are you, you need a left handed .22 Hornet


On a more Just be aware downloaded ammo is a bit of a faff, and often not as accurate as full fat loads. The main (easiest) powder used recently, trailboss, is no longer available in the Uk. Jacketed bullets will not expand well and my zing off like a .22 sub, slow them too much and they may jam in the barrel. lead bullets will not shoot as well as as they could if you don’t scrub all the copper out of the barrel first.

Seriously consider the .22 hornet it’s 700 ft-lb and shoots like a rim fire on the shoulder, flatter than HMR, reloadable, accurate enough to head shoot bunnies at 150 yards or more. Plus it’s Easier to load to low velocity on account of the smaller capacity.

But as you’re a southpaw chances are if you don’t like the above and want a true left hooker then .223 is the logical choice. A lot of fun for bunnies at close range though but dead is dead!

As for bigger cabinet and good reason, Um, best I don’t comment. But you do need at least 4 rifles for each quarry groups you shout as far as I’m concerned....
 
Sheppy, Sheppy, Sheppy...... you’re just not getting this are you, you need a left handed .22 Hornet


On a more Just be aware downloaded ammo is a bit of a faff, and often not as accurate as full fat loads. The main (easiest) powder used recently, trailboss, is no longer available in the Uk. Jacketed bullets will not expand well and my zing off like a .22 sub, slow them too much and they may jam in the barrel. lead bullets will not shoot as well as as they could if you don’t scrub all the copper out of the barrel first.

Seriously consider the .22 hornet it’s 700 ft-lb and shoots like a rim fire on the shoulder, flatter than HMR, reloadable, accurate enough to head shoot bunnies at 150 yards or more. Plus it’s Easier to load to low velocity on account of the smaller capacity.

But as you’re a southpaw chances are if you don’t like the above and want a true left hooker then .223 is the logical choice. A lot of fun for bunnies at close range though but dead is dead!

As for bigger cabinet and good reason, Um, best I don’t comment. But you do need at least 4 rifles for each quarry groups you shout as far as I’m concerned....

It all makes complete sense now mate...mods pls close the thread, it's all over 😂. Thank you mate 😉
 
You like to reload - get a 222 and load anything from 22lr levels to almost 223. Much more versatile, less fiddly, stronger brass and in general more accurate
 
Saw someone mention the .220 swift, instant pate I fear.
.222 is a lovely caliber to reload, long neck case, info at each bullet choice and good quality brass available. I feel you're looking for an oddball go .221 fireball or even 5.7x28
 
Thanks for all the advice and ideas guys...really helpful.

I think, based on the fact that my perm has muntjac, I already have a slot for it, i could de-tune loads and head shoot rabbits (which is my shot of choice anyway)...the 223 makes sense for now.

Just shoot everything with your muntjac loads as long as the backstop is decent. The Sierra Gameking is a good bullet in .223, not too expensive either.

Down loading can work but you often find the case obturation isn't so good and things can get a bit hit and miss with the burn too. If you want to low load, try to find a load with a fast powder and be very careful were you get your info from. It's not as simple as just lowering the charge of the powder you'd normally use. To be honest it's not something I'd recommend for a beginner, not at all.
 
Hi guys.

Simple one I think. I love my 22lr (cz). Accurate, fun to shoot, cheap to feed and can knock bunnies over all day. It got me my first FAC and ammo is available everywhere right? I'm not even considering getting rid of it but had couple of thoughts...

I only shoot rabbits for food on my perm and have no need or interest in foxes. But, I do like to reload, would like to shoot out a bit further accurately, and would like to avoid damaging game to the point that it is inedible.

So I'm guessing my choices for 'stepping up' are 17hmr, 17 hornet, 22 hornet, 204 ruger and 222/223? I already have an empty slot for .223 on my fac but do you think I'd be better of with any of the others? For clarity I'm not concerned with noise or recoil particularly...more suitability tbh.

Thanks in advance 😉

Haven’t read the thread but my money would be on a used CZ 527 .223 which is what I did and after 1000.s of rounds never regretted the choice.

Willowbank
 
Not in my eyes, I had a Remington 597 22wmr and it was terrible, struggled to group 2inches at 60 yards. A mate has a CZ455(maybe 452?) also in 22wmr and this was terrible as well!

That's the rifle's fault not the round, I have 2 a bolt action and a semi, the bolt will comfortably do 3/4" repeatably at 100 yards, the 452 I had previously was better than that, you do need to find ammo they like but its a cracking round. That said the 452 i had was my first rimfire and originally I looked at the 597, everyone advised me against it so bears out your experience which to be fair, if you've only seen 2 rifle shoot the round, is very limited.
 
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