Powders Urgently Needed - I Live in Hope

Blobby159

Well-Known Member
Hi all,
I have in the passed asked the kind folks who read, input information and buy and sale shooting related items on here if any had spare tubs of the two powder I use (had used) almost exclusively in my rifle cartridge reloads. Being a Brit I am, like other shooter/reloading fellas living in the U.K., subject to a really silly, short sighted legal ruling that came about fairly recently heavily restricting the make, brand and types of propellant powders we are now legally allowed to import and/or buy in this country. On the face of it our Government appears to be trying to protect us very few shooting hobbyists in the U.K. from the impact of carcinogenic chemical apparently involved in the final products that we purchase in these tubs of powders. In reality this is likely just a covering ruse and something to hang their interfering hats on whilst actually running a form of "protectionism" for the propellant manufacturing businesses here in Northern Europe versus the rest of the World. But whatever the reasoning, it has been deemed by our leaders that we shall NOT be allowed to import or to buy any of those often specifically American made, sold and/or distributed powders that for many of us have been the core and back-bone of our prized and hard worked up loads in our prized target and hunting firearms. A REAL PAIN.... SERIOUSLY!

Anyways, with this in mind there are two very specific powder that I am feeling the lack of, quite sincerely, and should like to find if there are any stocks of said held by fellow shooters that, for whatever reason, they may (now) be happy to pass on to another with a reasonable level of remuneration in return.?? As per my original title, I yet "Live in Hope", so here goes...

I am primarily interested in and definitely require IMR 7828 SSC, but am also really happy to purchase any spare H-VARGET. I am hoping to find people with full tubs by return, assuming we can find a way to get the powders from your stores to mine.... I live in Southern Hertfordshire, close(ish) to that well renowned, oft hated, rolling traffic jam otherwise called the M25.

Please respond ONLY if you really do have something to sell to me as I realise, fully, that this is and can be somewhat tiresome. But when one is simply desperate then you have to try don't you?? That is MY way of thinking anyway.

Kind Regards,
Blobby159
 
That’s a long post to say you need some varget or IMR 7828!! You might be better posting in the sales section in a “wanted” post.

I posted recently and had a few offered of tubs of Varget (I got a full one from a helpful member) although there were some eye brow raising prices from some!

good luck
Gixer
 
Hi all,
I have in the passed asked the kind folks who read, input information and buy and sale shooting related items on here if any had spare tubs of the two powder I use (had used) almost exclusively in my rifle cartridge reloads. Being a Brit I am, like other shooter/reloading fellas living in the U.K., subject to a really silly, short sighted legal ruling that came about fairly recently heavily restricting the make, brand and types of propellant powders we are now legally allowed to import and/or buy in this country. On the face of it our Government appears to be trying to protect us very few shooting hobbyists in the U.K. from the impact of carcinogenic chemical apparently involved in the final products that we purchase in these tubs of powders. In reality this is likely just a covering ruse and something to hang their interfering hats on whilst actually running a form of "protectionism" for the propellant manufacturing businesses here in Northern Europe versus the rest of the World. But whatever the reasoning, it has been deemed by our leaders that we shall NOT be allowed to import or to buy any of those often specifically American made, sold and/or distributed powders that for many of us have been the core and back-bone of our prized and hard worked up loads in our prized target and hunting firearms. A REAL PAIN.... SERIOUSLY!

Anyways, with this in mind there are two very specific powder that I am feeling the lack of, quite sincerely, and should like to find if there are any stocks of said held by fellow shooters that, for whatever reason, they may (now) be happy to pass on to another with a reasonable level of remuneration in return.?? As per my original title, I yet "Live in Hope", so here goes...

I am primarily interested in and definitely require IMR 7828 SSC, but am also really happy to purchase any spare H-VARGET. I am hoping to find people with full tubs by return, assuming we can find a way to get the powders from your stores to mine.... I live in Southern Hertfordshire, close(ish) to that well renowned, oft hated, rolling traffic jam otherwise called the M25.

Please respond ONLY if you really do have something to sell to me as I realise, fully, that this is and can be somewhat tiresome. But when one is simply desperate then you have to try don't you?? That is MY way of thinking anyway.

Kind Regards,
Blobby159
The two powders I load for 6.5x55. Any coincidence there??
Varget is hard to get in the US right now. The 7828SSC is relatively plentiful. Hope you find some.

REACH: How come American shooters aren't keeling over from the effects of shooting those bad, bad,bad,bad,bad powders?~Muir
 
REACH: How come American shooters aren't keeling over from the effects of shooting those bad, bad,bad,bad,bad powders?~Muir

Nor are we or they

You don't suffer these restrictions because your country doesn't suffer from inefficient commercial practices that require elaborate legislation to prevent foreign competition
 
Nor are we or they

You don't suffer these restrictions because your country doesn't suffer from inefficient commercial practices that require elaborate legislation to prevent foreign competition
I came to that conclusion, but isn't every powder you use 'foreign'? Makes no sense at all.

Of course, we have California. I recently gave my son a Helle knife that had the warning that the State of California determined that use of this knife could could cause cancer in reproductive organs. We can't have sassafras root in commercially sold products because someone gave about 10,000X the active ingredient in sassafras to lab rats and those rats developed a propensity towards cancer.

It's all silly games.~Muir
 
Make up your mind! At the start of the thread you told us you lived in Hope!
Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaa!!!...... Considering the current state of the Corona Virus in Hertfordshire you may have a valid point there 'VSS'... Hahahahaaaaa!!.. 😋
 
I will look in my cupboard this morning - I think I have two unopened tubs

I have no idea how we might arrange for them to get to you though

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That is really good of you "bowji john" though as you say, getting them to me is going to be a challenge. However, lets get over the hurdles as they arise. First off please check the state of your cabinet and we can go from there. This damned virus thing isn't gonna help much either is it, what with various travel restrictions in differing places around the UK.
KIND regards,
Blobbs....
 
The two powders I load for 6.5x55. Any coincidence there??
Varget is hard to get in the US right now. The 7828SSC is relatively plentiful. Hope you find some.

REACH: How come American shooters aren't keeling over from the effects of shooting those bad, bad,bad,bad,bad powders?~Muir
Yes, these two particular powders really are "the dog's" in many of my 6.5 Swede loads too Muir my friend. I have a sneaking feeling twas YOU that may have pointed my loading efforts towards 7828 when I first bought the Swede that I have and loaded with the heavier bullets, something in the 2&1/2 years back now, and Varget is great with the 120/123gr range for me... You too??
Yes Muir, I whileheartedly agree with yoy.... Why aren't hundreds (perhaps thousands) of our American reloading counterparts getting killed off with all manner of nasty, chemical induced cancerous ailments whilst they handle these NON-REACH Compliant propellant powders that the UK Govmnt is apparently trying to protect ITS Citizens from eh?.??
Such a lota BS....... and all it is REALLY doing is that it is disadvantaging those few (VERY FEW) UK Citizens who would otherwise be quietly using said - currently condemned powders - WITHOUT ISSUE f.f.s...
C'mon U.K. Legislation makers, get your acts together over this issue please and simply REVERSE it..!!!? PLEASE!?
Kind Regards,
Blobbs...
 
I haven't yet found anything Varget does that I can't get N140 to do as well.
REALLY "20-250"??..... I wish that were true my friend... I have tried N140 in my .223 reloads for foxing. YES, the resultant rounds CAN be quite accurate, though I did find some temperature quirks with said propellant a few hot Summers back... Varget just doesn't seem to give me the same kind of occasional spikes in pressure/velocities when the round is left in a hot and sun heated up chamber for some time prior to firing whilst ambushing pests on sunny Summer days whereas N140 DID,... for me anyway. Also the velocities aren't in the same ballpark without getting twitchey either. My fave Varget load in my .223 foxing rifle gives me a solid 3400fps+ with 53gr V-Max projectiles, and wonderously accurate too. If ONLY N140 did that for me I should very happily dump the other, very versatile but non compliant powder... believe you me!!
ATB,
Blobbs....
 
RS52 is a close substitute for Varget and is REACH compliant.

In all honesty you're probably best off finding an alternative because the non REACH powders are only going to get harder and harder to find, and more expensive as supplies dwindle.
YES "stubear" you are sooooo right there - unfortunately!.. There WILL come a time when I will likely just HAVE to "bite that proverbial bulit" but not for the present if I can manage otherwise with the goodwill of fellow shooters on here!.... Is RS52 as temperature stable as Varget is please?? I haven't seen much on the possible replacements of that Excellent, stable powder yet, though given the impact the REACH removals have had on the UK Reloading society I am hugely surprised no-one organisation hasn't taken up the challenge to discover "Equivalents" like you are suggesting for H-Varget that ARE available to use here..?? Wouldn't that be nice eh??
ATB,
Blobbs....
 
I came to that conclusion, but isn't every powder you use 'foreign'? Makes no sense at all.

Of course, we have California. I recently gave my son a Helle knife that had the warning that the State of California determined that use of this knife could could cause cancer in reproductive organs. We can't have sassafras root in commercially sold products because someone gave about 10,000X the active ingredient in sassafras to lab rats and those rats developed a propensity towards cancer.

It's all silly games.~Muir
That gets a BIG... AMEN! from me Muir!.....
 
Yes, these two particular powders really are "the dog's" in many of my 6.5 Swede loads too Muir my friend. I have a sneaking feeling twas YOU that may have pointed my loading efforts towards 7828 when I first bought the Swede that I have and loaded with the heavier bullets, something in the 2&1/2 years back now, and Varget is great with the 120/123gr range for me... You too??

It may well have been me. After being indoctrinated to "IMR4350 is the best powder for the Swede" and putting up with OK accuracy, the powder shortage hit and lo! 7228 SSC was left unloved and unwanted. I adopted it for the Swede and never looked back. I have a small wagon full of 6.5x55's and this has been the top powder with 140+ grain bullets. Worked well with 120 grain PPU HP as well but I switched to Varget after a bit. I would still load those PPU 120's over 7828SSC without hesitation. The smallest groups fired with my commercial Mauser 6.5x55 were with that combination using a hunting scope. Varget is a very close second but at higher speeds.~Muir
 
YES "stubear" you are sooooo right there - unfortunately!.. There WILL come a time when I will likely just HAVE to "bite that proverbial bulit" but not for the present if I can manage otherwise with the goodwill of fellow shooters on here!.... Is RS52 as temperature stable as Varget is please?? I haven't seen much on the possible replacements of that Excellent, stable powder yet, though given the impact the REACH removals have had on the UK Reloading society I am hugely surprised no-one organisation hasn't taken up the challenge to discover "Equivalents" like you are suggesting for H-Varget that ARE available to use here..?? Wouldn't that be nice eh??
ATB,
Blobbs....

It seems very temperature stable. I've had ammo out in the depths of winter and the height of summer and not noticed any difference in performance or pressure signs.

RS published a burn rate chart that might be useful so you can see how RS compares with other powders, below.

EDIT - tried to add the pic and cant seem to do it, but there is a chart on their webpage and a lot of other makers are also publishing burn rate tables.

I ended up using RS52 for .308 after Laurie mentioned to me that you could take a varget starting load, sub in RS52 and work things up.
 
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