AW Cost

[dalkur]

Guys, I have been looking at threads regarding how much an AW should charge for a days work. The current thinking seems to be most AW are making money from outings.

The scenario is AW gives up a Day to go out and Witness someone else Stalking, Travels a round trip of 70miles and takes a total of 7hrs to complete Drive and Stalk.

Question how much should he expect to charge for giving up his time and cover travel costs.

Dalkur

 

[6pointer]

dalkur most AW do not charge at all but if you are going to shoot there deer then hey ho you will need to pay. I dont see any one else giveing to many deer away for free. Your scenario if it were me would cost you £20 but it would not take 7 hours more like four and make sure you have deer to go at.

 

[roedeerred]

Good question how much does average man get paid plus cost of office etc. AWs have to concentrate quite hard throughout I know how tireing it is.just cos our office is outside still cost to rent and run it.wish it paid as much as say accountant/solicitor/other professional.

 

[widows son]

Guys, I have been looking at threads regarding how much an AW should charge for a days work. The current thinking seems to be most AW are making money from outings.

The scenario is AW gives up a Day to go out and Witness someone else Stalking, Travels a round trip of 70miles and takes a total of 7hrs to complete Drive and Stalk.


Question how much should he expect to charge for giving up his time and cover travel costs.



Dalkur

To be blunt and honest theres no one out there that paid for there approved witness ticket ,so why should anyone have to pay for it ?

I've done stalks all over Scotland, due to the current state of the fuel costs, if they will cover my cost of fuel that's it ?

There are plenty of people out there that do charge ,if they do charge it should be as a business and set out as such paying tax insurance etc providing receipts , BUT that doesn't happen .

When something goes wrong there's no shrugging shoulders and saying I didn't know you take money you must provide a service .

I run my own business I know what problems arise from that insurances, risk assessments, health and safety the ish I don't want involved in any of that, when i'm out for a bit of enjoyment.

 

[centralbeltstalker]

good luck

you get what you pay for mate is the simple answer.
it will cost from £50 to £200 for the stalk write up and keep the deer.
At the end of the day getting the L2 is/will be a priority and some will pay a lot to have it complete. some will take advantage of that, not my experience.
the i do it for free genuine guys do exist and that cant be taken away from them.
Dont be misled into thinking there is more than there is on here.
I would suggest going to a paying guide as they will complete papers there for you and you will not have to wait months for your book back or wait years for the stalk...

that my experience anyway.

atb with your l2

frank

 

[Si]

I thought the going rate was a muntjac

 

[roedeerred]

Widows Son I agree with you I do not charge except expenses, but I have seen so many on here complain about the cost I want those people to think before complaining.
You and I paid for level 1 and possibly L2 plus years of learning.
Just another thought how many expect to get L2 without sufficent experiance?
It is the nearest thing to a professional qualification I can imagine without being so.
In industry I paid the price to gain qualifactions, even paid to learn and that my driving test.
So please no more complaints about cost of AW,s

 

[Mannlicher_Stu]

To be blunt and honest theres no one out there that paid for there approved witness ticket ,so why should anyone have to pay for it ?

I've done stalks all over Scotland, due to the current state of the fuel costs, if they will cover my cost of fuel that's it ?

There are plenty of people out there that do charge ,if they do charge it should be as a business and set out as such paying tax insurance etc providing receipts , BUT that doesn't happen .

When something goes wrong there's no shrugging shoulders and saying I didn't know you take money you must provide a service .

I run my own business I know what problems arise from that insurances, risk assessments, health and safety the ish I don't want involved in any of that, when i'm out for a bit of enjoyment.

Thats not true

Both me and my mate whilst doing our DSC2 got stung for £760 between us with Green Lees for an evening stalk and a morning stalk inc accomodation and eve meal and neither of us saw a ferking deer, he also wanted £180 to accompany us on our own patch. Thats why I played merry hell and Andrew Treadway the assessor kindly helped out on the understanding that I would return the same favour for expenses only as and when I got my DSC2. which I have kept my promise. There are people out there Robert who are making a very nice wedge out of the system so please dont portray its all done for nothing because it isnt. The way things was going having to pay megga money intially i could forsee getting a DSC2 could have cost us easily £5000 a piece and its not what DMQ had in mind but there are guys out there getting stuffed as I have myself in the past.

Regards
Stu

 

[centralbeltstalker]

Thats not true

Both me and my mate whilst doing our DSC2 got stung for £760 between us with Green Lees for an evening stalk and a morning stalk inc accomodation and eve meal and neither of us saw a ferking deer, he also wanted £180 to accompany us on our own patch. Thats why I played merry hell and Andrew Treadway the assessor kindly helped out on the understanding that I would return the same favour for expenses only as and when I got my DSC2. which I have kept my promise. There are people out there Robert who are making a very nice wedge out of the system so please dont portray its all done for nothing because it isnt. The way things was going having to pay megga money intially i could forsee getting a DSC2 could have cost us easily £5000 a piece and its not what DMQ had in mind but there are guys out there getting stuffed as I have myself in the past.

Regards
Stu

I don't think your experience will be an isolated one.....

 

[limulus]

My first AW stalk costs:

To stalk the land £50
To take the doe £30
AW cost: collect him from his house then pay him £100

Outcome, stalk/safety/knowledge etc absolutely fine, AW wouldnt write the gralloch up because I dont do the gralloch the same way he does!

Waste of money

Subsequent stalks being completed with different AW for the cost of letting him stalk one of the 'good' bucks on the bit of land I stalk.

Tony

 

[EMcC]

I would not expect to be out of pocket when conducting an AW stalk.
By that I mean fuel to get there, not worked out to the enth halfpenny but other than that I normally enjoy the compnay of stalkers and do not look for extras.
At the end of the portfolio I normally say something on the lines of "when you get your certificate and medal, a word of thanks would be appreciated" and it lets me know how long the assessors take to do their bit and gives me satisfaction in knowing that all went well.

 

[steyr]

Thats not true

Both me and my mate whilst doing our DSC2 got stung for £760 between us with Green Lees for an evening stalk and a morning stalk inc accomodation and eve meal and neither of us saw a ferking deer, he also wanted £180 to accompany us on our own patch. Thats why I played merry hell and Andrew Treadway the assessor kindly helped out on the understanding that I would return the same favour for expenses only as and when I got my DSC2. which I have kept my promise. There are people out there Robert who are making a very nice wedge out of the system so please dont portray its all done for nothing because it isnt. The way things was going having to pay megga money intially i could forsee getting a DSC2 could have cost us easily £5000 a piece and its not what DMQ had in mind but there are guys out there getting stuffed as I have myself in the past.

Regards
Stu

£120 per outing of 3hrs..the outing seems to be a walk around a field with your rifle!!! there is signes of deer but none really to be seen..but if you do see one, its more likely to be a doe in the buck season etc. i have not been at the place you mention but one of his "guides" who has a place further up north (and is a separate bossiness) a few years back now but the same thing!..the longer time goes on the more storeys i hear of stalkers feeling being ripped off by them!..i often think of just how many there is out there , and how many there will be in the future? but Ive never wanted to name names. i think maybe the best way to see is to have a poll...if you've been/did you like it/would you go back??

 

[Paul at Fechan]

I thought the going rate was a muntjac

That's my fee... Can't speak for others!

 

[steyr]

an AW fee to me is what it is..its up to you if you want to pay it. the main thing ide look for is someone who is well known and in business and at a fair price, the reason for this is Ive heard a few storeys of AWs taking back handers to sign people off. true or not ide rather when asked "where did you...who did you do your stalks with?" be able to say.."someone who is well known and respected in stalking" than.. a man down the pub for a few pints!!

 

[JAYB]

I think with AW stalking there are the same problems as there is with everything else in life, somebody will always want to rip you off. A lot of AW now days incorporate the witnessing in to their day to day business which means that you can get your stalk witnessed and your portfolio written up all for a set fee. Alternatively there are AW's who will do it for their out of pocket expenses only. Which ever way you choose to do it will have a lot to do with your circumstances, some stalkers have no option but to go the paying route in which case the trick is to find a fair and decent witness and hope that the price you have to pay will be a fair one. If you are lucky enough to be able to get your witnessing done for out of pocket expenses, or even a Muntjac, then the costs will obviously be substantially less.


Personally I think that if someone is good enough to witness your stalk and write up your portfolio then a little extra above the out of pocket expenses does not go amiss, some sort of small gift something in a bottle for example would be much appreciated. You have to remember that somebody is giving up a day of their time and putting considerable effort into your stalk and writing up your portfolio. They does tend to be, in my opinion, amongst people looking for a witnessed stalk rather a lot expected in return for not a lot.

John

 

[www.yorkshireroestalking.]

To be blunt and honest theres no one out there that paid for there approved witness ticket ,so why should anyone have to pay for it ?

I've done stalks all over Scotland, due to the current state of the fuel costs, if they will cover my cost of fuel that's it ?

There are plenty of people out there that do charge ,if they do charge it should be as a business and set out as such paying tax insurance etc providing receipts , BUT that doesn't happen .

When something goes wrong there's no shrugging shoulders and saying I didn't know you take money you must provide a service .

I run my own business I know what problems arise from that insurances, risk assessments, health and safety the ish I don't want involved in any of that, when i'm out for a bit of enjoyment.

Ask my accountant my receipt book has many £40 for dsc2 witnessing in it. So in my case you are wrong.
Also I only charge when a deer is grassed and do the whole thing in one outing.
No shot no paperwork.

 

[KevinF]

...There does tend to be, in my opinion, amongst people looking for a witnessed stalk, rather a lot expected in return for not a lot.
John

Amen to that.

But hasn't this topic just been covered in the the bad tempered 'witnessing' thread, now moved?

 

[Bryan_C]

I don't charge unless it is a long way to travel. Why no charge? I was lucky, apart for paying for my NSC (remember those?) and subsequently the standard course/registration fees for Levels 1&2, my stalking cost me nothing. A lot of good stalkers gave my their time and knowledge - it is now time for me to do the same for others. Moreover, if the guy being assessed doesn't meet the grade then it is easier for him to accept that fact and he doesn't have to shell out a lot of money. He can put it down to being part of the learning experience.

 

[centralbeltstalker]

Personally I think that if someone is good enough to witness your stalk and write up your portfolio then a little extra above the out of pocket expenses does not go amiss, some sort of small gift something in a bottle for example would be much appreciated. You have to remember that somebody is giving up a day of their time and putting considerable effort into your stalk and writing up your portfolio. They does tend to be, in my opinion, amongst people looking for a witnessed stalk rather a lot expected in return for not a lot.

John

john,

when your down this way doing yours drop me a line would like to meet up.

f.

 

[JAYB]

john,

when your down this way doing yours drop me a line would like to meet up.

f.

Frank, what makes you think I will be down your way to do a level 2 stalk.

John