Hunting in Europe and travelling by car. Firearms Permits

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Planning a Boar hunting trip later in the year to Germany. Normal route is via Ferry from Newcastle to Amsterdam and then down to Germany.

Will need two visitors permits / licences. Anybody have any clue how to go about getting these please now that we no longer part of the EU Firearms Licence protocols.

Also what is the deal on bringing back wild boar - all butchered and vacuum packed and salamis etc.?
 
Oh bollocks. It looks like those of us in Great Britain will now need an Export Licence to take a Firearm overseas for any purpose. Those in Northern Ireland can still use the EFP. @Conor O'Gorman can you shed any light on this.

This may well effectively stop ownership of larger big game calibres that you want to take overseas.

This is in that collaboration agreement small print that was rushed through with no consultation whatsoever.
 
Oh bollocks. It looks like those of us in Great Britain will now need an Export Licence to take a Firearm overseas for any purpose.
I didn't read it that way:

Exceptions for certificate or permit holders
Article 16 of the Order provides an exception for the export of firearms as personal effects from the UK to countries outside the EU. You do not normally need an export licence to take or send the following items overseas if they are for personal use and part of your personal effects:
firearms
shotguns
related ammunition and sights (non-electronic image enhancement)

This only applies if you have either a valid certificate or visitor’s permit for your firearm or shotgun. You must have the relevant items entered on the certificate. The certificates and items must be ready to be presented by the holder, or their appointed agent, to an HMRC officer at the place of export.


So I read it that you should get a visitor's permit from your destination and make sure you have the guns/ammo listed on your FAC. Should be no problem.

If you are exporting the guns for sale, different matter!
 
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I didn't read it that way:

Exceptions for certificate or permit holders
Article 16 of the Order provides an exception for the export of firearms as personal effects from the UK to countries outside the EU. You do not normally need an export licence to take or send the following items overseas if they are for personal use and part of your personal effects:
firearms
shotguns
related ammunition and sights (non-electronic image enhancement)

This only applies if you have either a valid certificate or visitor’s permit for your firearm or shotgun. You must have the relevant items entered on the certificate. The certificates and items must be ready to be presented by the holder, or their appointed agent, to an HMRC officer at the place of export.


So I read it that you should get a visitor's permit from your destination and make sure you have the guns/ammo listed on your FAC. Should be no problem.

If you are exporting the guns for sale, different matter!
This only applies to countries outside the EU.

There is a whole new section on the requirements from Great Britain - and here it only talks about Registered Firearms Dealers - not about individuals wishing to take their own personal firearms


the Specific tagged on the end of the bit on Northern Ireland wording is


Individuals in Great Britain must apply for an export licence.

Exceptions for certificate or permit holders

Article 16 of the Order provides an exception for the export of firearms as personal effects from the UK to countries outside the EU.
 
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So yes you need to check with every country you travel through oh the joys of brexit
Thanks had seen that already. The biggest embuggerance is getting an export licence to take your rifle with you. Funny how this is not mentioned in the above. But it does specifically say it the other section.

The UK government website is a perfect example of something that is not fit for purpose.
 
Thanks had seen that already. The biggest embuggerance is getting an export licence to take your rifle with you. Funny how this is not mentioned in the above. But it does specifically say it the other section.

The UK government website is a perfect example of something that is not fit for purpose.
I don’t think u do need an export licence
“ Individuals will no longer be able to take personal firearms to the EU using the European Firearms Pass, because this will no longer be available in the UK.

An exemption exists that applies to the temporary firearms as personnel effects to the rest of the world this will now also cover exports to the UK.

If you want to take firearms as personal effects to the EU you will need to make sure that the destination country would also permit the import and re-export of the firearms in question.

If you are a dealer or exporter in firearms you will need to continue to apply for your licenses via the SPIRE system as you do now.”
 
As I posted above have a read of this document


Which was updated on 31 December 2020. It specifically states you do need an Export Permit to take a firearm from the UK to the EU.

All the other docs are dated to much earlier dates.
 
As I posted above have a read of this document


Which was updated on 31 December 2020. It specifically states you do need an Export Permit to take a firearm from the UK to the EU.

All the other docs are dated to much earlier dates.
“ Article 15 of the Order also provides an exception for the temporary export of firearms as personal effects from the UK to EU member states. This exception does not extend to weapons specified by ML1 or ML2.”
From ur link
 
Stop lifting stones and looking for bogeymen !!

For temporary import by the owner will we not revert back to the old system whereby you show your resident country licence to possess and possibly insurance (BASC/ BDS) card and proceed - saw this happen last time in Lisbon by a Swiss hunter (who of course were never in the EU). I presented my EFAP and received the same treatment. Also did it in Zagreb when the EFAP was inadvertantly misplaced - just showed FAC and on we went.

Travelled by ferry from Hull last year and there were no checks at the port on entry (in fact I went and declared the weapon to the ferry company staff who had no record of the prior notification)and on disembarcation in Zebrugge - just drove out!
 
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Sorry Gents - I am not lifting stones - I am trying to navigate my life for the future - yes in the past it was very easy. Just drive onto the Ferry, Waive your FAC and EFP, (always checked at Newcastle) and then drive of at Ijmuiden in the Netherlands - again the Dutch customs would check and of you go. What we did in 2018, 2019, 2020 is now irrelevant thanks the European Withdrawal Act 2018 and UK and EU Collaberation Agreement 2020.



Let me walk you through the new Guidance Notes that were issued and updated on 31 December 2020. These specifically state in the notes that

Individuals in Great Britain must apply for an export licence.

Given that these Notes were specifically updated on the 31 December 2020, and they specifically mention within the Exception section that we do need an Export Licence to travel with firearms to the EU, then that is almost certainly the case. What we have all done in the past is now completely irrelevant.



So to start

Overview

Firearms, and their parts, components, accessories or ammunition and related software and technology are controlled strategic goods. Unless an exception applies, you need a licence to export any controlled firearms from the UK to another country.

This applies to:

  • individuals
  • businesses, including registered firearms dealers
  • both permanent, and temporary exports, such as for an exhibition, a competition or for the purpose of a holiday
It is a criminal offence to export controlled goods without the correct licence. Penalties vary depending on the nature of the offence.

In the European Withdrawal Act 2018 the UK retained the articles relating to the control of Export of Firearms. You thus need an Export Licence to temporarily export a Firearm from the UK. And this has been law since 2008.

You do not need an Export Licence if:

1) You hold a valid European Firearms Pass. This is covered by Article 15 of the Order. An EFP can now only be issued to holders Firearms Ceriticate Holders in Northern Ireland

2) Under Article 16 - you can use your FAC / SC for the export of Firearms as Personal Effects from the UK to countries outside the EU.

The wording in the guidance is as follows - and highlighted the key bits in RED



When you do not need an export licence

If the following exceptions apply you do not need a licence from Export Control Joint Unit (ECJU).

Holders of a European Firearms Pass (EFP)

Individuals in Northern Ireland with an EFP taking personal firearms from Northern Ireland to an EU member state do not need an export licence. This exception is outlined in Article 9 of the Regulation.

Article 15 of the Order also provides an exception for the temporary export of firearms as personal effects from the UK to EU member states. This exception does not extend to weapons specified by ML1 or ML2.

You must ensure that the import of the firearm is acceptable to the authorities of the destination country by obtaining an Import Permit or PIC from the relevant issuing authority. This must be done before the personal effects export takes place.

Contact the Firearms Licensing Unit within your local police authority to get an EFP.

Individuals in Great Britain must apply for an export licence. -
GB is England, Scotland, Wales,

Exceptions for certificate or permit holders

Article 16 of the Order provides an exception for the export of firearms as personal effects from the UK to countries outside the EU.

You do not normally need an export licence to take or send the following items overseas if they are for personal use and part of your personal effects:

  • firearms
  • shotguns
  • related ammunition and sights (non-electronic image enhancement)
This only applies if you have either a valid certificate or visitor’s permit for your firearm or shotgun.

You must have the relevant items entered on the certificate. The certificates and items must be ready to be presented by the holder, or their appointed agent, to an HMRC officer at the place of export.


So in other words for those of us in England, Scotland and Wales travelling to Europe, we don't have EFP so Article 15 doesn't apply, and as for Article 16 this now only applies to travel outside of the EU.

Therefore you need an EXPORT PERMIT.


 
It sounds like a cock up
That was my first inclination, and it was a typo type cockup.

But the fact they amended thr guidance notes a couple of weeks ago and are very specific in more than one place you need an Export Permit, this looks like a very specific policy decision.
 
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