Copper bullets - the limitations

[Acm]

Strikes me Lee @Norfolk Deer Search is one of the few talking real sense and real world experience here. It’s largely irrelevant what we all think sadly. Lead is on its way out, atleast with the dealers round here ( Sussex) and surely once they start they won’t be alone? I have been using the Barnes ttsx 165 in my .30-06 on roe, muntjac, Fallow and a Red with good results. I’m going to try the fox bullets in my 6.5. I know @dodgyknees has spoken out a fair bit against lead free but I think what he’s doing is fairly niche to UK stalkers.
Interesting thread this.

 

[CarlW]

Do the Forestry land Scotland use thermal scopes ?
or just spotters?
If they do use scopes how does they get around legislation ?

Paul

Spotters. However, I believe there are moves to change the law.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Strikes me Lee @Norfolk Deer Search is one of the few talking real sense and real world experience here. It’s largely irrelevant what we all think sadly. Lead is on its way out, atleast with the dealers round here ( Sussex) and surely once they start they won’t be alone? I have been using the Barnes ttsx 165 in my .30-06 on roe, muntjac, Fallow and a Red with good results. I’m going to try the fox bullets in my 6.5. I know @dodgyknees has spoken out a fair bit against lead free but I think what he’s doing is fairly niche to UK stalkers.
Interesting thread this.

Well I’ve just had a restock of 130gn Barnes TTSX for the old 270!

got the last 200 from reloading solutions and at a good price £190 inc vat and shipping.

all I need to do now is rebuild my bench and away we go!

 

[Acm]

Well I’ve just had a restock of 130gn Barnes TTSX for the old 270!

got the last 200 from reloading solutions and at a good price £190 inc vat and shipping.

all I need to do now is rebuild my bench and away we go!

Funnily enough just this morning I ordered a load of fox bullets from Ed for the 6.5 and the .222.

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

Funnily enough just this morning I ordered a load of fox bullets from Ed for the 6.5 and the .222.

I like the fox but I have so much confidence in the ttsx and I got them without hassle so happy days

 

[StephenToast]

I guess that if they are hard they will behave explosively? But, I don't know.

DRT make copper jacketed bullets that contain compressed, powdered metals like Tungsten and copper as a way to control the density/length of the bullet.

They are designed to be pretty explosive from what I can gather.

 

[Edinburgh Rifles]

DRT make copper jacketed bullets that contain compressed, powdered metals like Tungsten and copper as a way to control the density/length of the bullet.

They are designed to be pretty explosive from what I can gather.

any fangible non lead defeats the main USP and the drive we are seeing
Metal free carcases.

Doesnt matter what the metal is. If the end user doesnt want it the suppliers (AGHE's/Game dealers etc) will drive a move away from that.
That fact that the metal we are using up until now is a known toxin just makes it worse and an easier shift to non lead/monolithic

 

[Acm]

DRT make copper jacketed bullets that contain compressed, powdered metals like Tungsten and copper as a way to control the density/length of the bullet.

They are designed to be pretty explosive from what I can gather.

Barnes varmint grenade is a similar bullet, as is the lead free nosler varmint BT. Probably not ideal from a “no metal In the meat” perspective.

 

[StephenToast]

any fangible non lead defeats the main USP and the drive we are seeing
Metal free carcases.

Doesnt matter what the metal is. If the end user doesnt want it the suppliers (AGHE's/Game dealers etc) will drive a move away from that.
That fact that the metal we are using up until now is a known toxin just makes it worse and an easier shift to non lead/monolithic

Fairy nuff.

I use RWS HIT ammo.

I was just answering Carl's question about the use of tungsten to the best of my humble abilities.

Non-lead isn't just about venison or even meat into the food chain though. What about fox shooters looking for a non-lead bullet to mirror the properties of something like V-Max?

 

[CarlW]

Barnes varmint grenade is a similar bullet, as is the lead free nosler varmint BT. Probably not ideal from a “no metal In the meat” perspective.

We've gone from 'no lead' to 'no metal' already...? What next? No fookin' hole?

 

[StephenToast]

We've gone from 'no lead' to 'no metal' already...? What next? No fookin' hole?

I am perfecting my hard stare as we speak.

 

[CarlW]

I am perfecting my hard stare as we speak.

Quick. Think up some more self-imposed limits on shooting before the antis beat us to it...

 

[Acm]

We've gone from 'no lead' to 'no metal' already...? What next? No fookin' hole?

Your not allowed to put the knife in either, that’s also metal

 

[StephenToast]

Quick. Think up some more self-imposed limits on shooting before the antis beat us to it...

Erm. I'm drawing a blank... Hold on. I'll get on the blower to BASC and get back to you.

 

[rem284]

We've gone from 'no lead' to 'no metal' already...? What next? No fookin' hole?

Absolutely, we are working on the death ray laser. No trajectory or windage to worry about. Solar powered rechargeable batteries.

 

[Apthorpe]

I find some of the stuff around copper bullets somewhat improbable or confusing. (So far I've only tried GMX bullets which were not a success in the rifle I tried them on - keyholing and inaccurate).
So far as I can understand, people who use them say one should typically use a slightly lighter bullet driven faster (relative to lead) to get good effects, but manufacturers' websites say their bullets are effective and expand properly at impact velocities of 1500-1600fps.
Could anybody clarify? Especially anyone with experience of shooting red deer, boar or moose with "monoliths" hitting at sub 2000fps?

 

[Norfolk Deer Search]

I find some of the stuff around copper bullets somewhat improbable or confusing. (So far I've only tried GMX bullets which were not a success in the rifle I tried them on - keyholing and inaccurate).
So far as I can understand, people who use them say one should typically use a slightly lighter bullet driven faster (relative to lead) to get good effects, but manufacturers' websites say their bullets are effective and expand properly at impact velocities of 1500-1600fps.
Could anybody clarify? Especially anyone with experience of shooting red deer, boar or moose with "monoliths" hitting at sub 2000fps?

The GMX is a diabolical bullet, tried them once and never again!

with my Barnes 130gn 270 load at 2950fps, I would have to shoot out to over 500m to get the answers your
looking for and I can’t answer you because I’ve never shot an animal at that distance.

but I can tell you from experience the 130gn ttsx does expand and exit on lowland red deer at 325m doing the speed of 2220fps approx.

 

[stalkerboydy]

I like the fox but I have so much confidence in the ttsx and I got them without hassle so happy days

I've held back from giving my opinion in this thread but can't no longer.
100% agree with your comments on Barnes TTSX . You personally know a bit about my stalking experience etc for a while i used Barnes LRX 127gr ( only because i could not get TTSX 120gr ) from my 6.5x55 they still put multiple Fallow down from groups at range now back on TTSX 120gr do i miss the 25-06 and 120gr nosler partition nope not one bit so thanks for tips help putting me on the TTSX.

 

[Bowland blades]

Sorry Bowland, I don't understand what you mean,,,, please translate and explain.

Ian

1-8 is a fast twist for a regular 243 win . Fast twist stabilise longer bullets , many factory 243 will not stabilise a 100 grain lead really well , so 100 grain copper is a no hope .
Its also why the 243 win was such a commercial success when tge 6mm rem failed as that didn't manage the lighter varmint bullets

 

[User00040]

Absolutely, we are working on the death ray laser. No trajectory or windage to worry about. Solar powered rechargeable batteries.

I'm pretty sure the 'green rain' from NZ would have started falling across Scotland if it were not for the potential fallout generated by the SGA and other landowners who are not bent on stamping out native wildlife.

Whoever came up with the DOC trap (I'm guessing Phil Waddington as the trigger has his name on it) made a few bucks out of that!