Conor O'Gorman
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In an earlier comment on this thread I asked @Apthorpe to email me a list of questions and I explained that I would seek answers to these in consultation with colleagues at BASC. He/she has yet to email me.
UK REACH lead ammunition review announced
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In an earlier comment on this thread I asked @Apthorpe to email me a list of questions and I explained that I would seek answers to these in consultation with colleagues at BASC. He/she has yet to email me.
Conor O'Gorman
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The WWT videos outline the evidence of the impacts of lead shot on wildfowl and human health and include footage of lead poisoning in wildfowl. What's your view on the evidence presented in the videos?
Conor O'Gorman
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The following video with interviews is well worth a watch - given the some of the views expressed in this thread.
My view is that BASC et al have sold us down the river with the ‘voluntary’ (I didn’t volunteer) lead ban.
Rifle bullets have no impact on wildfowl, there is little evidence in the UK that they are affecting other wildlife.
Lead in food is another matter, I do see the sense of this but it should have been a case of choice and if the market was found to prefer / pay a premium for lead free shot animals then market forces would have dictated that those selling game would move that way anyway.
However we are now in a position where the Org’s have got together paved the way for a total lead ban which just isn’t needed. It’s an absolute stitch up.
Conor O'Gorman
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In February 2020 nine organisations published this:
A joint statement on the future of shotgun ammunition for live quarry shooting
Together we wish to see an end to both lead and single-use plastics in ammunition used by those taking all live quarry with shotguns within five years.
basc.org.uk
In February 2021 nine organisations published this:
An update on the five-year transition towards sustainable ammunition
This is a five-year transition not a one-year solution, says BASC.
basc.org.uk
This week the NGDA issued the following announcement:
At the National Game Dealers Association ( NGDA) annual general meeting members voted to commit to sourcing all feather and fur Game as well as venison and wild boar from lead-free supply chains from the 1st of July 2022.
This was agreed in order to future proof the sale of Game meat in their customer’s businesses, and to ensure continued consumer growth from those people seeking to enjoy our healthy delicious game products. This is a positive move for our industry to protect the environment and further assure our products in a highly competitive market place. The NGDA and its members will be working with the relevant industry groups to ensure, with this notice, our supply chains are able to make a transition.
If you have any concerns as a supplier to an NGDA member, please discuss your individual requirements with them or the NGDA.
Sorry, what I you trying to tell me by this??In February 2020 nine organisations published this:
A joint statement on the future of shotgun ammunition for live quarry shooting
Together we wish to see an end to both lead and single-use plastics in ammunition used by those taking all live quarry with shotguns within five years.
In February 2021 nine organisations published this:
An update on the five-year transition towards sustainable ammunition
This is a five-year transition not a one-year solution, says BASC.
This week the NGDA issued the following announcement:
At the National Game Dealers Association ( NGDA) annual general meeting members voted to commit to sourcing all feather and fur Game as well as venison and wild boar from lead-free supply chains from the 1st of July 2022.
This was agreed in order to future proof the sale of Game meat in their customer’s businesses, and to ensure continued consumer growth from those people seeking to enjoy our healthy delicious game products. This is a positive move for our industry to protect the environment and further assure our products in a highly competitive market place. The NGDA and its members will be working with the relevant industry groups to ensure, with this notice, our supply chains are able to make a transition.
If you have any concerns as a supplier to an NGDA member, please discuss your individual requirements with them or the NGDA.
That you were all proved right? With last year’s announcement the became a self fulfilling prophecy.
Either way, what ha it got to do with me shooting foxes with lead bullets or rabbits that don’t enter the food chain?
because you and the other 8 are going to take that away from me.
Are BASC going to pay me compensation for the guns that will need to be rebarreled or will become useless when lead is banned? Or pay me for the thousands of bullets I have for shooting vermin and paper once they are banned?
Genuine questions
The questions are in his post, no point in emailing them.
Just copy/paste them, ask yourself/colleagues at basc to give an answer then post them back up on SD.
What could be more simple than that.
This self inflicted ban will hit everyone who shoots, basc (voice of shooting) should make answers public, not private via email.....Anyone would think you had something to hide Connor, or more to the point sidestepping answering on a public forum.?
Sonicdmb73
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Hardly an answer to the point made.In February 2020 nine organisations published this:
A joint statement on the future of shotgun ammunition for live quarry shooting
Together we wish to see an end to both lead and single-use plastics in ammunition used by those taking all live quarry with shotguns within five years.
In February 2021 nine organisations published this:
An update on the five-year transition towards sustainable ammunition
This is a five-year transition not a one-year solution, says BASC.
This week the NGDA issued the following announcement:
At the National Game Dealers Association ( NGDA) annual general meeting members voted to commit to sourcing all feather and fur Game as well as venison and wild boar from lead-free supply chains from the 1st of July 2022.
This was agreed in order to future proof the sale of Game meat in their customer’s businesses, and to ensure continued consumer growth from those people seeking to enjoy our healthy delicious game products. This is a positive move for our industry to protect the environment and further assure our products in a highly competitive market place. The NGDA and its members will be working with the relevant industry groups to ensure, with this notice, our supply chains are able to make a transition.
If you have any concerns as a supplier to an NGDA member, please discuss your individual requirements with them or the NGDA.
Why when the Norwegian shooting/hunting organisations have successfully overturned a lead bad are BASC and the other eight so keen to go to a ban?
I still want answers as to where all the bodies are and if as alleged foxes etc are eating them. Then where’s the secondary poisonings?
As for stating lead pipes have been removed from homes. What rot, there’s tens of thousands of homes with lead water pipes still supplying drinking water. Yet another “fact” that is not all it seems.
Having started the ball rolling basc cannot stop it and despite all their spin are perhaps now beginning to realise the consequences, as per the podcast with gamebore.
It’s now about the risk to the whole industry of losing businesses and jobs.
The agenda has now been set July 2022 NGDA, April 2023 government review conclusion.
It’s now about the risk to the whole industry of losing businesses and jobs.
The agenda has now been set July 2022 NGDA, April 2023 government review conclusion.
Sonicdmb73
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When the gravy train crashes, they’ll all be out of a job.
Less shooting equals less members equals less income.
Perhaps it’s time someone reminded the organisations that they are supposed to work for us. That they exist for our benefit, not their own.
I do not like being treated like a child or possibly more accurately a mushroom.
I joined BASC because they were supposed to have my back. Recently they are doing more to put my back up.
Conor, the shooting organisations I am sure started this five year transition with the best intentions, but also recognised the problem with the traditional plastic wads used with steel shot. So thought it best to include biodegradable wads in the goal.
As for the video the person in the first interview was enough for me he clearly knew nothing about the industry or technology behind cartridge manufacturing and then within the video only the cost of a cartridge compared to game what about the bigger picture of all live quarry shooting which includes pigeons, bismuth or tungsten shot for pigeons really? And how can it be In humanities best interests to use rare earth metals for shot?
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Basc only care about driven game shooting. That is patently obvious!
timbrayford
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Why are you holding BASC responsible for the activities of both UK REACH & the government? If BASC was that influential we'd have had more sensible gun controls years ago!
timbrayford
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Not in my experience !
Definitely in mine.
Because they and the other org’s have brought the ban in early.
By their own released statement a year is not enough, why have they therefore not lobbied the NGDA to work to the same 5 (now 4) year timetable as the other org’s?
Roestalker39
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Best comment ever
timbrayford
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Perhaps I've made greater use of their expertise than you?
Roestalker39
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Tim tell me about these “ sensible “ controls basc would have introduced? Medical reports ten years Certs ? Or just a complete ban on firearms ownership?
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