Just don't offer a differing opinion, or offer any criticism, or we'll label you an anti.
BASC is indeed politically engaged. Here is the most recent example:
Minister hails £246m natural capital contribution from Scottish shooting
Scotland’s shooting sector delivers more than £246 million in annual natural capital benefits according to a new BASC report.basc.org.uk
Perhaps your views of BASC are misplaced. This is what BASC stands for:
We are the ones who are here for you through thick and thin, fair weather and foul. From the corridors of power to every corner of your community we are your friendly face, your unrivalled experts. Whatever you are facing we will stand with you and for you, so stand with us because together we are allies, a tribe, a family. Together we are stronger, together we are BASC.
What BASC stands for
We are the keeper of our traditions and the guardians of our future. We are stability and we are change.
Long on rhetoric and posturing but the reality as witnessed in the ongoing posts supporting further lead shot restrictions paints a different picture. Hopefully the shooting community will see through the political sound bites quoted above aimed at creating unity when unfortunately their actions don’t merit such loyalty.
www.frontiersin.org
Nobody thinks that and there are no cheetahs in the UK. How much more irrelevant and inapplicable cam these arguments in favour of banning lead ammunition get?Just seen this for those who don’t think lead ingestion from rifle bullets can have an impact:
Frontiers | Case Report: Acute lead poisoning from bullet ingestion in a captive cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus) in Namibia: implications for wildlife management
The case study describes a suspected instance of lead poisoning in a cheetah in Namibia. While lead toxicity is well-documented in carnivorous birds, this ca...
The only doubt is whether sufficient impact exists to justify the introduction of draconian legislation. To date no such data has surfaced . Recently observing the survival rates of mallard ducklings on the river I fish their failure to survive rate greatly exceeds any modelled numbers being produced regarding inland game birds losses to lead shot poisoning. Bearing in mind that agenda driven figures will undoubtedly carry bias I don’t think that the crusade to ban lead shot is proportionate to the risk involved in its use.Just seen this for those who don’t think lead ingestion from rifle bullets can have an impact:
Frontiers | Case Report: Acute lead poisoning from bullet ingestion in a captive cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus) in Namibia: implications for wildlife management
The case study describes a suspected instance of lead poisoning in a cheetah in Namibia. While lead toxicity is well-documented in carnivorous birds, this ca...
A local lass gets 1000,s of lead shot pigeons donated for her ferret rescue centre, a second lady in Nth Essex has had the same for 30 + years
Thanks. My understanding is that lead ingestion in mammals (including humans) from shot or traces of lead in game meat is much less likely to cause poisoning than in birds due to different digestive systems. I don't know of any case of humans dying from lead shot poisoning. It is the sub-lethal impacts that are of concern as has been discussed in this and other threads. For birds it is a different matter as most people now accept. That is why falconers won't take game that might contain lead shot.
All the pigeons over the years had their chance to die by eating lead shot but in fact they died by being shot with it.
funny you should mention that an estate i look after has a thriving kite population and theyre never off the grallochsAll the pigeons over the years had their chance to die by eating lead shot but in fact they died by being shot with it.
Birds of Prey will scavenge so any bird they pick up with bird flu will be passed on causing the death of that bird of prey.
The Kites are soon over a gralloch.
In the UK, several birds of prey will scavenge for food, including Red Kites, Buzzards, and sometimes even Gulls and Ravens. While they primarily hunt, these birds will also consume carrion (dead animals) when available. Red Kites, in particular, are known for scavenging, especially along roadsides where they look for roadkill.
Not sure what the point is of tagging me with queries, when you have the answers. The HSE review began in 2021, the ECHA review in 2019, all of the science has been discussed and argued from every viewpoint, now a timetable has been set for GB and will soon be determined in the EU + NI.All the pigeons over the years had their chance to die by eating lead shot but in fact they died by being shot with it.
Birds of Prey will scavenge so any bird they pick up with bird flu will be passed on causing the death of that bird of prey.
The Kites are soon over a gralloch.
In the UK, several birds of prey will scavenge for food, including Red Kites, Buzzards, and sometimes even Gulls and Ravens. While they primarily hunt, these birds will also consume carrion (dead animals) when available. Red Kites, in particular, are known for scavenging, especially along roadsides where they look for roadkill.
basc.org.uk
My suggestion is to ask admin to lock any future threads then people can read "only" then PM you their thoughts.Not sure what the point is of tagging me with queries, when you have the answers. The HSE review began in 2021, the ECHA review in 2019, all of the science has been discussed and argued from every viewpoint, now a timetable has been set for GB and will soon be determined in the EU + NI.
As for BASC, this is from the FAQ:
Will BASC continue to lobby against any aspects of the proposed ban?
The Government has shortened the expected timeframe for shotgun ammunition from five years to three years on the assumption that the ammunition is readily available – that is not the case for commercial and supply reasons beyond our sector’s control – and we are urging the government to oppose the shortened proposal of three years and go back to the to a five-year timescale proposed by the Health and Safety Executive.
BASC has concerns with the proposed reclassification of larger calibres to include .243. This risks adversely affecting around 60,000 deer stalkers and could have a serious impact on the national deer cull, which affects road safety, food production and undermines government environmental priorities.
We will continue to lobby Ministers on the issues that relate to .243 such as stabilisation and the lack of muzzle energy, requesting that large calibres be set at 6.5mm and above.
Lead ammunition restrictions - your questions answered
Read our answers to questions about the planned lead ammunition legislation and what it means for shotgun, rifle and airgun shooters.
Good idea. About time this frankenthread got put out of its misery. You may see more use of the like button from me also to acknowledge POVs directed at me. As for Kerplunk yes a good analogy regularly used for in policy and political circles.My suggestion is to ask admin to lock any future threads then people can read "only" then PM you their thoughts.
As for tagging you in, you cherry pick your replies as in post 1065 you manage a
But take the time to ask me why I tagged you in.
Honestly most of it is like watching a game of KerPlunk with the main players who made these studies pulling the sticks not knowing which marble will fall in which tray with the end coming in 2029.
These personal remarks are now out of line and not required.I can’t help noticing that the target of criticism has indicated a like to all the critical posts.
Ideally criticism of your professional performance results in repercussions or at least an acceptance of accountability and acknowledgement that steps should be taken to redress shortcomings.
This disconnect is a worry and would seem to indicate that there is no recognition of fault and that any criticism is being attributed to a handful of malcontents rather than justified disapproval.
A worrying conclusion would be that the present undermining of BASC policy by its representative is a deliberate attempt to discredit the assosciation in the eyes of shooters and thus contribute to weakening BASC’s standing ,a similar tack has been taken by John Swift previously only for him to be honoured by the organisation. Rather than attempt to understand the doublespeak and hypocrisy involved the best move might be to seek representation elsewhere from the other national organisations .
