Does that include the small dinghys they keep sending ?
Hunting in Europe and travelling by car. Firearms Permits
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spannulman
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Sorry to stir this up again but I hope I have found something re export licences.
i accept that the legislation already shared here says we need an export licence to take firearms out of uk to Europe etc. But I was digging around govt site and found the export licence for This scenario , an OGEL or open generell export licence. This allows for the taking abroad and returning with sporting firearms. It seems to be a general licence, similar to those for shooting pigeons etc. So not something you need to get specialist advice for and then an expensive application process.
i can’t see anything on the page to show how you obtain such a licence, I think because it is provided as a ven licence. The document here IS the licence for everyone.
I hope I’m not wrong, but doesn’t this make it easy to transport to Europe again without having an EFP as before. You are covered by the OGEL, and simply must make the necessary arrangements with the destination country, and any transit countries if driving. Ok, there is some research to do there but, on the other hand, who will check at the borders anyway?
My apologies if this was clear already, but it wasn’t last time I posted. Am I correct? Is this a general licence covering the export? I would just print or save this on phone and make my arrangements with the destination country. I think we are covered.
i accept that the legislation already shared here says we need an export licence to take firearms out of uk to Europe etc. But I was digging around govt site and found the export licence for This scenario , an OGEL or open generell export licence. This allows for the taking abroad and returning with sporting firearms. It seems to be a general licence, similar to those for shooting pigeons etc. So not something you need to get specialist advice for and then an expensive application process.
i can’t see anything on the page to show how you obtain such a licence, I think because it is provided as a ven licence. The document here IS the licence for everyone.
I hope I’m not wrong, but doesn’t this make it easy to transport to Europe again without having an EFP as before. You are covered by the OGEL, and simply must make the necessary arrangements with the destination country, and any transit countries if driving. Ok, there is some research to do there but, on the other hand, who will check at the borders anyway?
My apologies if this was clear already, but it wasn’t last time I posted. Am I correct? Is this a general licence covering the export? I would just print or save this on phone and make my arrangements with the destination country. I think we are covered.
This looks to be the answer to the issue. Well done sir.
Perhaps a print out of the OGEL and a schedule/list of your firearms together with FAC/SGC will be all we need + destination country requirements which will usually include an invitation letter, insurance and FAC/SGC.
Perhaps a print out of the OGEL and a schedule/list of your firearms together with FAC/SGC will be all we need + destination country requirements which will usually include an invitation letter, insurance and FAC/SGC.
spannulman
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Aye, as long as what you are taking out or bringing back is on your ticket for uk then it seems ok. And I think the agent or your host can usually sort the local permits.
that seems to do it for flying but there will be some fuss if crossing holland Germany Austria etc to get to Hungary for example, or Croatia. But if they accept EFP to travel from one EU country to another or more I should think they would see the end destination hunting permit etc and accept that for transit. Obviously I’d do more checking on that part before driving but at least the actual export licence seems clear now, and isn’t something one physically needs to apply for and pay a fee.
that seems to do it for flying but there will be some fuss if crossing holland Germany Austria etc to get to Hungary for example, or Croatia. But if they accept EFP to travel from one EU country to another or more I should think they would see the end destination hunting permit etc and accept that for transit. Obviously I’d do more checking on that part before driving but at least the actual export licence seems clear now, and isn’t something one physically needs to apply for and pay a fee.
mereside
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There will be no issues, you have authority to get to your destination permits in place your ticket with firearms your travelling with, it’s only like going further than Europe exactly the same happens like I said in earlier posts, at least that document clears it up for people concerned, regards Wayne
Bavarianbrit
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If you clear Calais, Dunkirk, or hook of holland without problems then all the way to the Hungarian border is Schengen so I would expect you to just drive through them all without being stopped, but if you were then?
Heym SR20
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sorry to piddle on this but the above Open General Licence is Dated September 2020, whereas the requirement for Export Permits are dated December 30th 2020 and are the result of all the toing and froings of the November and December discussions.
Like everything to do with Brexit there are multiple different versions which give very very different viewpoints. Its the final agreements and published laws and guidance that you need to follow.
(caveat - it is not beyond the realms of possibility that guidance doesn’t actually follow the law and vice versa as in the realms of human frailty this is entirely possible. And if you look at a number of Acts on the Government websites there are notes to the effect they need to be updated).
(Caveat No 2 - it may just be that they have changed the advice issued on 30th December 2020 to fall in line with this General Licence - but need to check - have just checked and NO it hasn’t been changed)
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Dhindes
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I use my DSC1 to get a French national hunting permit - costs around 200 euro and I add unlimited insurance. I can then buy ammo and join hunts with this. I just renew each year.
Issue appears to get the rifle out of UK ( export) and back again ( import). Stupid part is you are not exporting it as you are simply traveling back and forth with it.
Issue appears to get the rifle out of UK ( export) and back again ( import). Stupid part is you are not exporting it as you are simply traveling back and forth with it.
Received an invitation to participate in a German driven boar hunt near to Berlin. The German visitor permit side is not a big deal (according to my hosts).
Any new information on the Great Britain export licence requirements? Or is it an issue still to be resolved.
Any assistance would be gratefully received....
Any new information on the Great Britain export licence requirements? Or is it an issue still to be resolved.
Any assistance would be gratefully received....
Bavarianbrit
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Here is an outtake from it. The non-observance of firearms legislation is always followed by the initiation of a criminal justice procedure and the confiscation of the imported objects, firearms, or ammunition.Weapons and ammunition
www.zoll.de
Here's a starter for 10 on the German side.
Would some kind soul take this horse round the back & shoot it.
Is that because it is already definitely answered (if so I will re-read) or because there is still no clarity ??
Are you applying for a deer hunting licence? I think I saw that copy of EFP is still required!! I have lodged a UK friends application with a copy of his firearms cert instead. I should know fairly soon if this is in order.
Regarding visitors firearms cert the Commissioner's guidelines did state that original EFP or SIMILAR is required as well as copy of deer hunting licence.
At least this year hunting licences are being issued on an ongoing basis instead of the usual logjam in August and September. It should have an added effect of allowing visitors plenty of time to get a firearms cert if they are lucky enough to be going out on 1 September.
The Garda are notoriously ill informed on the requirements for visitors firearms certs. I will do a bit of research and post on the likely scenario.
Regarding visitors firearms cert the Commissioner's guidelines did state that original EFP or SIMILAR is required as well as copy of deer hunting licence.
At least this year hunting licences are being issued on an ongoing basis instead of the usual logjam in August and September. It should have an added effect of allowing visitors plenty of time to get a firearms cert if they are lucky enough to be going out on 1 September.
The Garda are notoriously ill informed on the requirements for visitors firearms certs. I will do a bit of research and post on the likely scenario.
best of luck.
Dunwaters
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If you’re hunting deer you’ll need a deer hunting license, no major problem you can apply on line but there’s a Catch 22, before they give you the license they want to see your visitors cert and the Gardai want your deer license before they give you the cert.
Get a letter of invitation and pop a copy in with each application.
Best luck with the trip.
First update on R of I situation.
Deer hunting licences are being issued to UK applicants when accompanied by a copy of UK firearms cert. Current turn around time is 3-4weeks.
Up till now it probably didn't matter to people if in previous years their EFP was out of their hands for a while when applying for a visitors firearms cert. However a sensible guard would always allow the sponsor to return the EFP immediately to the applicant once they had confirmed its existence.
Given that the commissioners guidelines and the legislation will require UK applicants to now send their original firearms cert with their visitors application what is your opinion on not having your cert for about two weeks? This is the average time in my experience for granting a visitors cert. As I said before there is no consistency in the application of the rules over here. Some of you may have been sending a copy of your cert for years without an issue.
Ion
Deer hunting licences are being issued to UK applicants when accompanied by a copy of UK firearms cert. Current turn around time is 3-4weeks.
Up till now it probably didn't matter to people if in previous years their EFP was out of their hands for a while when applying for a visitors firearms cert. However a sensible guard would always allow the sponsor to return the EFP immediately to the applicant once they had confirmed its existence.
Given that the commissioners guidelines and the legislation will require UK applicants to now send their original firearms cert with their visitors application what is your opinion on not having your cert for about two weeks? This is the average time in my experience for granting a visitors cert. As I said before there is no consistency in the application of the rules over here. Some of you may have been sending a copy of your cert for years without an issue.
Ion
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