Road traffic collisions with boar.
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Foxyboy43
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Surely you are not suggesting that our erstwhile friends could be telling “porkies”? Gracious, the very thought, next it will be Italy, Greece, Portugal, Spain and all the “stans” and “anias”........
Funnily enough Mike Karen mentioned at the weekend that you had asked and she forgot to pass it on. But thanks for the concern. Haven't been on in ages so missed this post myself, hopefully we will catch up soon.
I have an increased scrap value due to 3 plates and a knee that is about 20 years older than the rest of me but so far it's not given me any troubles bar the the odd twinge.
Won't say the boar I have shot since have leveled the score but I am working on it, 3 in the last 6 months is a fair start but more to repay.
You can’t compare wild pigs from the other side of the world to the European wild boar. A young male wild boar of about a year old in my family’s part of germany normally weighs between 90 And 120 kg with guts in, I’ve seen literally hundreds of male and female wild boar shot that weighed around the 150 kg mark and a handful that weighed just over 200kg and they required a tractor to move them.
A few years back I went out to sit for some wild boar one afternoon in the forrest where I was working in Germany on a hunting estate. To get into the high seat I had to walk through a load of chest high ferns , I climbed up into my seat, made myself comfortable and was just putting a cartridge back in the chamber when a wild boar ( Keiler) took off like a flipping rocket from about a meter away from where I’d climbed up into the highseat. I must have been stood not more than a meter from it as I got I to the highseat and it had just laid there and waited for a good moment to leg it away, extremely cunning beast ! Obviously it got away as it took me by such surprise that by the time I saw it cross a ride with a clear shot it was too late. That was the biggest wild boar I’ve ever seen and it wouldn’t surprise me if that was well over 250kg, getting towards the 300kg mark. it was absolutely huge.
kindest regards, Olaf
Would certainly be a big surprise if it was really that big Olaf! Eyes and brain do all sorts of weird things when excited.
The problem you fellas have with all these enormous boar stories is that there is very, very little in the offical record to support these claims. Next to nothing. Bugger all. I think we can agree that the ones in eastern Russia / Manchuria etc get fairly colossal, but again, coming back to the original post that kicked this all off (400kg!), there’s nothing to support it other than silly photos.
FYI out heaviest feral (wild) pigs top out at about 200kg liveweight, according to our historic record. I’ve never come across one that big. 200kg, not coincidentally, is what most of the available German information says about maximum weight of Western and Central European boar.
So what is the Deutsche Wildscwein Rekord?
Sorry, but I don’t see what relevance there is in comparing these escaped farm yard pigs and feral pigs you have experience with to the European Wild Boar.. they are quite different beasts. In my opinion , based on my experiences , boar around and over 100kg are very common , over 150kg is a massive beast. 400kg is a rather UFO type sea serpent unsupported claim that makes me laugh. That massive thing of a wild boar I saw was absolutely huge ,but, it could have just been a very hairy 120 kg wild boar with very big bones. That or I was imagining things, I will never know. Still, I do love a good hunting story, as they say in Germany; never are so many lies told as after the Jagd and before the wedding
Kindest regards, Olaf
Come on over, I’ll arrange a proper pig hunt for you! None of this stand in a row and shoot them nonsense (that’s for scaredy-cats). You’ll be running after a real big angry boar, through the bush, up and down crazy steep hills, with a big as knife and a pack of superhero dogs. When they bail up the pig, you must leap on it and stick it in the heart, ok? Hang on tight, they don’t like that very much!
We’ll see how you feel about our escaped farmyard piggies after that experience.
(I’ll let you practice your pig wrestling skills on our live capture boar first eh, to get your strength up. He’s quite gentle, only killed 3 or 4 dogs so far. He lives on a steady diet of dead goats, deer, cattle and tourists.)
Come on over, I’ll arrange a proper pig hunt for you! None of this stand in a row and shoot them nonsense (that’s for scaredy-cats). You’ll be running after a real big angry boar, through the bush, up and down crazy steep hills, with a big as knife and a pack of superhero dogs. When they bail up the pig, you must leap on it and stick it in the heart, ok? Hang on tight, they don’t like that very much!
We’ll see how you feel about our escaped farmyard piggies after that experience.
(I’ll let you practice your pig wrestling skills on our live capture boar first eh, to get your strength up. He’s quite gentle, only killed 3 or 4 dogs so far. He lives on a steady diet of dead goats, deer, cattle and tourists.)
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Priceless, thanks for that, an entertaining read.in my youth I worked on a pig research farm , I know how aggressive a domestic boar can be, especially if it feels threatened and I’ve no doubt that your feral pigs can get a bit shirty with a few dogs clamping down on their head.
in Germany and throughout Europe, Killing wild boar with a knife if the dogs have got a hold , is standard practice as it’s not safe to use a gun. sometimes dogs get killed and sometimes so can people. in general, the primary objective of wild boar hunting in Germany , is to avoid such events as much as possible as opposed to encouraging them to happen, and to swiftly and efficiently kill the animals in a humane way for the benefits of conservation and hunting. My original point was not meant to belittle your feral wild farm pig hunting, it’s just a salient fact that completely different breeds of escaped farm yard pigs on the other side of the world are not the same as European wild boar.
I wouldn’t suggest that you try hunting with your super hero dogs and hunting knife on the legendary 400kg European wild boar though, I’d imagine you would all struggle a bit
Kindest regards, Olaf
yes, some people do like a bit of a violent challenge don’t they.
I’ve got good friends who are professional scent hound handlers and they are very experienced at dealing with such situations where a dog has got locked onto a very aggressive wild boar. In Germany, scent dogs are trained not to make physical contact with an animal, rather to bay it so that the handler can catch up and then safely dispatch the animal, thus minimising the risk of injury to the dog or dogs. Obviously, sometimes things can get complicated though and a dog or dogs will go in and attack in a bid to protect themselves or their handlers and sometimes it’s either dangerous to call the dog off or it’s just not possible and then a knife is used. In contrast to your very brave and sharp feral pig dogs , in Germany Sharp ( aggressive) scent dogs ( usually Bavarian mountain hounds or Hanoverian hounds) are seen as a training or breeding failure and don’t pass their training Assessments, they are trained to bay an animal and not to attack it without the handlers command. Don’t get me wrong, they are very capable of defending themselves or their handlers if need be though and will go in and attack if given a command to do so, similar to a military attack dog.
Most of the year wild boar are shot through sitting out at night or stealthy stalking or sitting out on the edge of a field of crops during harvesting of the crops. Late in the year driven wild boar hunting is used, but the main aim of the dogs is to carefully cause the wild boar to calmly move past carefully positioned hunters. Dogs that fly off and try to attack game are not wanted on such hunts as they cause many problems and can ruin a carefully designed hunt. The objective is to gently move the wild boar through the forrest and not get so close to the boar as to cause them to break into a full on run or turn on the dogs in an act of self defence or aggression. It’s a very efficient and effective form of hunting but is used sparingly ( only once or twice a year ) as the softly softly approach yields the highest returns with wild boar in the German countryside.
kindest regards, Olaf
Bavarianbrit
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Yep, here in Bavaria the villages tend to be spaced 3-4 KMs apart so there is not a lot of area free for running of hounds or boar mainly due to the right to roam law for walkers & bicycle riders filling these areas at weekends this since Goering through his chief forester Walter frevert brought this "Tierschutzgesetz" law in in 1933.
Yes, badly trained dogs as well as a too aggressive a driven hunt method causing wild boar and other large game animals to start running for their lives is a primary thing that is actively avoided. Asides from all the other problems it can cause, a major concern in the planning of a driven hunt is preventing animals from being driven towards roads. The worst is an out of control dog going after an animal and causing a traffic accident. Signs are put out on roads warning drivers to drive slowly and with caution as a hunt is in progress. In other areas where really busy roads are in close proximity to an area where hunting is required , the road is either closed for an hour or so or it is only hunted using the stealth methods of Highseats or stalking.
kindest regards, Olaf
Bavarianbrit
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All to come later to a town near you as they multiply across the UK?
Yes, humour is one of your many spectacular attributes
foxdropper
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Dodgey knees - Do you like your hats with a side salad or just seasoned 
Foxyboy43
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Some illustration of what a medium-sized pig can do if moderately annoyed - i.e. hunted. There is a video of the attack but can’t figure out how to post it - scares the bejasus out of me, for one!
NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH CHAPS - HENCE SMALL PICTURES!
NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH CHAPS - HENCE SMALL PICTURES!
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Still no proof!Dodgey knees - Do you like your hats with a side salad or just seasoned
It’s like when I was a kid, and stories of 50lb pike would come round every now and then. A grainy unverified celluloid photo would appear in a magazine with a big fish in a net hanging off scales that no one could see properly. At my school, a number of kids’ dads’ colleagues’ brothers’ mates had caught 45lb+ pike.
During a recent spell of bad weather here, I sat down and read up on Sus Scrofa and its various sub-species around the world. Quite a deep dive into research papers and so on, it was really interesting, especially the genetic / biological constraints on maximum attainable size irrespective of feed quality and availability. It’s very hard to find any evidence of massive Western and Central European wild boar greater than 200kg, that upper limit is ubiquitous from what I can see. What is interesting, is that for all the claims of colossal boar, you just can’t find reference to these monsters in the record, whether you search in English, German, Czech, whatever. Nothing.
So I remain deeply sceptical of claims of wild boar >200kg liveweight, certainly in terms of them being at all common. I’m quite sure that if they were being caught, the stories would be out there and easy to find. If a 200kg pig were caught here, it would be a nationwide sensation!
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