15000 is that a typo error ? I Have been to some large shoots but never to one on this scale .
Ban Driven Grouse debate
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Nope, no typo. They put down 90,000 a season plus extras from the game farm they also owned. 300-500 bird days were the norm throughout the season. The scale was staggering...
Rake Aboot
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And unjustifiable to anyone really.
Even the wild bird argument won't hold water. You are artificially increasing a population so that you can shoot it for fun.
I think we need to not kid ourselves about what sport we enjoy, but blaming the "vegan" devil is idiotic and childish. If it is to be preserved it must be through justification to the average man and woman in the street.
But really, don't ask the lurchermen to stand alongside. Even on this forum they are simply poaching traveller scum, even when they are not. This forum can be a perfect example of why shooting is having a fight. Some of the attitudes on here are appalling.
Even the wild bird argument won't hold water. You are artificially increasing a population so that you can shoot it for fun.
I think we need to not kid ourselves about what sport we enjoy, but blaming the "vegan" devil is idiotic and childish. If it is to be preserved it must be through justification to the average man and woman in the street.
But really, don't ask the lurchermen to stand alongside. Even on this forum they are simply poaching traveller scum, even when they are not. This forum can be a perfect example of why shooting is having a fight. Some of the attitudes on here are appalling.
hedge hunter
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Ma
That's just turning an animal into a target.it ain't going too go down two well
So you all agree with Packam by the sound of it then. Putting 40m reared birds and 1000 tonnes of lead into the environment is unjustifiable. Several posts seem to agree with that.
So you agree with him but he is a **** for making the point, and we all need to band together to stop him succeeding in something you all agree with?
Got it.
But shooting something just because it has horns on its head is totally different from "just turning an animal into a target"
Hmmmm
Presumably the guys who go on 500 bird days do it because they enjoy it, just like stalkers who enjoy shooting deer with big antlers. There's the justification, they do it because they enjoy it. No ?
So you agree with him but he is a **** for making the point, and we all need to band together to stop him succeeding in something you all agree with?
Got it.
But shooting something just because it has horns on its head is totally different from "just turning an animal into a target"
Hmmmm
Presumably the guys who go on 500 bird days do it because they enjoy it, just like stalkers who enjoy shooting deer with big antlers. There's the justification, they do it because they enjoy it. No ?
Yeh but no but yeh, I think (sometimes) we may have to compromise unlike WJ or RSPB would ever do, the 1000 ton of Lead is returned to the ground from where it occurs, I will now retire to the air-raid shelter
Constructive post...
I can only speak for myself. My point was that every man, woman and beast involved in any part of any fieldsport should be a collective force. Start to be proactive in evidencing the good that comes from Shooting conservation, take a check on the poor practices that have crept in, bring in self regulation before it is forced and stop all this us and them nonsense... we have a defined common interest. Whether you mooch a hedge with a lurcher, stand 40ft below a driven bird or crawl through heather to take a beast of a lifetime, we all should be highlighting good practice, balance in what we do and conservation positives as one voice.
Packham and his cronies can go do one. They are three people and have achieved more for their distinctly distorted cause in 10 years than the feildsports community have done in 40 years. That has to say something about how we should conduct ourselves moving forward!
It is sad. Very SAD, that Shooting’s arch nemesis is this guy:
badger sniffing ****
The real problem however is with our own fraternity. This sort of **** could NEVER happen in the USA. The Americans have themselves organised. They don’t **** about. They put their money into hunting and conservation and have no problems defending themselves.
Hunters in the UK are NOT confident enough about defending themselves. I am always amazed that people cannot stick up for what they’re doing….hunters here are actually embarrassed to talk about what they do.
“Ooh just keep quiet and hopefully nobody will realise that we kill stuff”
“oh let’s help with the big garden birdwatch and hopefully Packham will let us lick his balls and then he will leave us alone”
Nope
We are ****ED because people are NOT proactive enough. Always on the back foot…..
Bunch of ****ing mugs
badger sniffing ****
The real problem however is with our own fraternity. This sort of **** could NEVER happen in the USA. The Americans have themselves organised. They don’t **** about. They put their money into hunting and conservation and have no problems defending themselves.
Hunters in the UK are NOT confident enough about defending themselves. I am always amazed that people cannot stick up for what they’re doing….hunters here are actually embarrassed to talk about what they do.
“Ooh just keep quiet and hopefully nobody will realise that we kill stuff”
“oh let’s help with the big garden birdwatch and hopefully Packham will let us lick his balls and then he will leave us alone”
Nope
We are ****ED because people are NOT proactive enough. Always on the back foot…..
Bunch of ****ing mugs
What you say is nothing new, we have been rolling over for many years, ie pistol ban, semi auto centre fire rifles, three shot semi auto shotguns, fox hunting, GP reports, lead shot, and so it will continue until nothing remains.
Never said this was a new phenomenon….that’s the problem….it’s been going on for too long!
I slightly disagree with this statement. You manage predation and provide correct habitat to hopefully produce a shootable surplus. And at the end of the day it all comes down to weather at critical times if the year. Artificially increasing a population would be releasing game
Rake Aboot
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Almost. Controlling predation is artificially inflating the population.
As for the "agree with Packham" post above, wake up. And for the record, deer stalking is pest control, whether paid for or not.
I believe that our opponents were roasted during the debate yesterday, crashed and burned etc. I also understand BASC were quoted more than once by the MP’s speaking in support of DGS. If so great work done by BASC and other shooting organisations informing and mobilising MP’s in support. I need to watch the debate at sometime today.
Dunwaters
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That argument only works with wild birds, the vast majority of shoots are totally dependant on released birds, mallard, french partridge and pheasant being by far the most popular species because they’re easy to rear more so than for their flying abilities.
Joe public wont differentiate between driven grouse “ good” and driven pheasant etc “bad”. They’ll just shout until its all banned.
We can only hope it is the start of a differing direction in regards Governmental attitude towards fieldsports. The sceptic in me says that Packham and his cronies won't be bothered by losing one battle... their aim is to very slowly win their war and cause as much disruption as possible in the process. I also hope it unites some of the large organisations to be one big voice of all fieldsports, but considering they are all claiming to be the sole reasoning the result was so positive, I doubt that is going to happen any time soon!
badbob
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Don't believe that deer stalking is safe. If you enjoy it they'll want to ban it. Birth control , poison carrots are to be preferred.
I don't know now if I can shoot woodpigeons eating my broccoli or jackdaws in my chimney or crows looking for nestlings what a position to be in.
I've never been driven grouse shooting (£££) but would hate to see it banned.
Bring back the days of boxing day fox hunting meets. ( and I don't go fox hunting)
Remember if you enjoy any field sport, even ever so little, they'll want to ban you doing it.
Deer control ,horrible nasty job, but someone's got to do it.
I don't know now if I can shoot woodpigeons eating my broccoli or jackdaws in my chimney or crows looking for nestlings what a position to be in.
I've never been driven grouse shooting (£££) but would hate to see it banned.
Bring back the days of boxing day fox hunting meets. ( and I don't go fox hunting)
Remember if you enjoy any field sport, even ever so little, they'll want to ban you doing it.
Deer control ,horrible nasty job, but someone's got to do it.
I think there is a deliberate muddying of waters to confuse the general public regarding released pheasants and wild bird shooting of any type. Providing the correct environment for any wild bird population to provide a shootable surplus is quite different to releasing reared birds. It sounds better for the antis to shout that X million pheasants and partridges are flung out for rich toffs to come and blast from the sky, rather than farmers land owners etc creating the correct habitat to produce a shootable surplus meanwhile providing necessary habitat for X amount of amber and red listed birds and mammals. They will also never say that legal predator control also helps theses X amount of rare birds and mammals.
No there are enough professional stalkers to control numbers all recreational stalking should be banned.
Of course my previous post was nonsense but no more nonsense than some of the other posts we all need to stick
together not throw each other to the wolves there is far more that unites us in our differenr forms of sport than what
divides us
Have you tried driven Grouse shooting? Why not? Can't afford it? Is that why you are against it ? There are lot of things
I an't afford but I'm not against tbem . Envy is a hellish thing.
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